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Can someone help with a little bit of maths and term time working please?

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LyricalGangsta · 29/10/2023 08:24

£1233.54 per month
30 hours a week
Term time only

I can't remember what I worked it out as per hour.
But am I right to think you divide the £1233.54 by 120 as that's how many hours are worked in a month and that gives you the hourly rate?

Every month of the year the £1233.54 is paid

Thanks

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Thelondonone · 29/10/2023 08:26

No, as some months you don’t work but still get paid. 30 hours a week for 39 weeks? Is this your net or gross pay?

ConnieTucker · 29/10/2023 08:26

But uou qont be working at all for some if it so just diving by the house in a month you are working wont give an accurate hourly rate.

how many days do you work a year? Is it in a school so 195?

Heyhoherewegoagain · 29/10/2023 08:29

Annual salary divided by annual hours…so (1233 x 12) divided by (30x52)

LyricalGangsta · 29/10/2023 08:30

Oh I see. Didn't think of that.
Yes in a school.

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Cherrypi · 29/10/2023 08:30

£1233.54 x 12 / number of weeks you work /30

Fashionspy47 · 29/10/2023 08:34

Hi you will also need to factor in that some of that may include some holiday entitlement even though it’s a term time contract. Calculating hourly rates are incredibly difficult for term time only contracts. The best thing to do is look at your contract which will tell you which pay grade you are - this should then give you an hourly rate. There will be standardised pay rates for your authority depending on your point on the scale, I’m a deputy head and worked with the bursar to sort some of these out recently. Your bursar should be able to answer this quite quickly from your contract.

Its also paid over twelve months so when contracts end, there can be overpayment / underpayments of wages. Good luck!

AndyPandyismyhero · 29/10/2023 08:34

You need to work out how many weeks you are paid as we do get holiday pay. For me, the calculation would be

1233.54 X 12 = a

30 x 44 ( 39 weeks worked + 5 weeks holiday pay) = b

a ÷ b = hourly rate

user1471530877 · 29/10/2023 08:38

You need to find the full time pay for your role to get the hourly rate - easiest way is to look at your contract or offer letter and look for the FTE (full time equivalent). You then divide that by the full time hours for your role (usually 36 or 37) and then divide by 52.143.

If you can't find the FTE, divide your salary by your hours (30) and multiply by the full time hours (36 or 37) and then divide by the weeks you are paid (so 38 term time or 39 if you do INSET plus annual leave which varies by employer but around 5.5 weeks) and then multiply by 52.143.

So as an example 1233.54 / 30 x 37 / 43 x 52.143 = 1844.85 x 12 = £22,138 per year / 37 / 52.143 = £11.47 per hour

ForestDad · 29/10/2023 08:40

52 weeks - 13 for holidays = 39 weeks (75%)
39 weeks x 30 hrs = 1170 hrs/year.
12 months' pay x 1233.54 = £14802.48
14802.48 / 1170hrs = £12.65/hr.

This won't be exact as I haven't accounted for your holiday pay which will reduce the hourly rate. Say you get 3 weeks' paid holiday:

52 weeks - 13 for holidays + 3 weeks' paid holiday = 42 weeks
42 weeks x 30 hrs = 1260 hrs/year.
12 months' pay x 1233.54 = £14802.48
14802.48 / 1260hrs = £11.75/hr.

Figures won't be exact but it's about that. No tax accounted for.

DW was a TA for a bit, it's a terrible hourly rate for the role but it does fit in with having multiple kids at school.

LyricalGangsta · 29/10/2023 08:48

Thanks everyone Smile

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Loverofoxbowlakes · 29/10/2023 09:18

You should always add the annual leave which in my trust is the minimum 28 days (not as pp suggested up thread 3 weeks - a term time contract doesn't negate the minimum annual leave allowance, it just dictates when it can be taken. So 13 weeks 'holiday' is actually 5.6 weeks paid holiday and 7.4 weeks unpaid - this annual leave allowance is spread over the year so you get paid in August)

LadyOfACertainAge · 29/10/2023 09:21

If it was an NHS contract the multiplier would be 0.86. So you would take your term time salary and divide by 0.86 to get the full year equivalent. But it think that depends on annual leave entitlement so wouldn’t be the same for other contracts

Loverofoxbowlakes · 29/10/2023 09:22

Annual salary = £14802.48

Divide by working weeks plus statutory annual leave (eg 39+5.6 = 44.6 weeks
= £331.89

Divide by hours worked per week = £11.06 per hour.

Gross or net op?

Heyhoherewegoagain · 29/10/2023 09:29

Stop confusing the issue! If OP receives the same pay every month, that already takes annual leave into account, she’s paid for 30 hours a week, 52 weeks a year!

Loverofoxbowlakes · 29/10/2023 09:47

Heyhoherewegoagain · 29/10/2023 09:29

Stop confusing the issue! If OP receives the same pay every month, that already takes annual leave into account, she’s paid for 30 hours a week, 52 weeks a year!

She really isn't, on a tto contract. They spread the wages out over the year so you get paid even in August. No school is ever going to pay support staff for 7 weeks they're not in school (outside annual leave entitlement)

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