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Nhs rebanding

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Laurenx1x1 · 25/10/2023 19:43

Hi all, has anyone had their nhs job rebanded. I am currently a band 4 performing at a 6 or 7. My manager is aware and said we need to look into rebanding the role due to my performance and responsibilities.. how long does it take? Process has not started yet!

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decionsdecisions62 · 25/10/2023 19:45

A band 4 working as a band 7??! How? I don't understand that!

HitsAndMrs · 25/10/2023 19:51

You need a degree to be band 5 or above if clinical?
I'm surprised at this to be honest. Lots of therapy assistants, for instance, are band 4 throughout their career but can not progress higher without an undergrad.

But in terms of 'rebranding' it doesn't really work as simply as that, you'd have to get shortlisted and pass a band 7 interview and demonstrate your skills.

colusnigt · 25/10/2023 19:56

Are you clinical or admin?
Either way that is a big jump in banding.
What type of job are you technically in and if you're performing as a band 7, which is clinical lead or manager - why are you doing it?

I have heard of rebanding being successful in my trust but only ever from a non qualified 2 or 3 to a 3 or 4 or as a qualified band 5 to 6. Never anything else.

shakeitoffsis · 25/10/2023 20:06

@HitsAndMrs not entirely true. I'm a band 5 and don't have a degree. Senior specialised dental nurse with 2 post qualifications.

Livedandlearned · 25/10/2023 20:07

I know a 7 who isn't technically qualified, she's worked her way up, years ago and has stayed in the role.

I'd be interested to hear the outcome of this though, as I've never heard of a reband in the trust I work in.

Auntieobem · 25/10/2023 20:14

Never heard of someone going from a 4 to a 6 or 7. It's generally a v long process, you'll need to agree your new job description, have it banded etc. They'll also have to have funding for a higher banded post, and if they don't the you could be asked to work to your original one.

What are you doing which makes you think it's a band 6 or 7 post?

Doyouthinktheyknow · 25/10/2023 20:19

I’m clinical and the bandings are pretty much set in stone! No real flexibility at all in my experience.

LittleMrsPretty · 25/10/2023 20:19

Very unlikely you will go up 2 bands

SilverCatStripes · 25/10/2023 20:25

Band 6 /7 is typically “service/operational manager” roles so you would need to demonstrate that you are capable and experienced with managing teams and budgets.

Timeline wise it will be slow - your line manager will need to prove to her manager that they need you in a B6 role and they will need to create the role and advertise, so at least a couple of months.

defi · 25/10/2023 20:26

I thought band 4 was trainee clinical staff until they graduate/register and become band 5

Auntieobem · 25/10/2023 20:30

Under our banding policy the post wouldn't need to be advertised. Your Board/trust whatever will have a policy and process _ask for a copy

Motnight · 25/10/2023 20:30

My job was re-evaluated and I went from a 7 to 8a. Non clinical. Not a trust. We had a really clear process to follow.

IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 25/10/2023 20:30

It very much depends. I presume this is a niche role that has been developed by you around your skills and knowledge? It’s unusual, but not impossible, and may be addressed in different ways.

The first thing is for your manger to write a job description and person specification for the job that you are actually doing, and to get it AfC banded. That’s the first hurdle. Then there needs to be a restructure of some kind, possibly very minor, depending on who else might be eligible for the post, and what your HR advises. In some cases you might be simply slotted in, and in others (more likely IMO) the job will go to advert, probably ringfenced, and then you apply, possibly as a single applicant.

The whole thing can take months.

chachachachangesoolala · 25/10/2023 20:33

I'm assuming you're non-clinical? It's going to be a long process due to everything mentioned on the previous answers. I'm also curious as to how a band 4 is working as a 6/7, though.

Motnight · 25/10/2023 20:34

Oh just remembered in a previous role my job was re-evaluated from a band 6 to 7!

tealandteal · 25/10/2023 20:36

It can take a long time, usually if your job description says do a b c and you are doing a b c d e f, then there are two options. Get you to only do a b c or to draw up a new jd detailing a b c d e f and the appropriate qualifications to do so. Then this jd would need to be matched to agenda for change and others jobs within the Trust. Then there are lots of things to consider, are there others in the same job, do they have the budget for an increased banding, who will do the band 4 bits of the job (assuming there are bits you would no longer do).

Sparkletastic · 25/10/2023 20:39

I'm non-clinical and had my job evaluated when I took on significantly more tasks and responsibilities and I went from an 8a to an 8b. In my trust you'd have to have a job re-evaluated and then if it was found to be as far off the mark as you say yours is you'd have to compete against an open field of applicants to get the role. You can only be slotted in to a grade above or below your current band.

Hairyfairy01 · 25/10/2023 21:48

HitsAndMrs · 25/10/2023 19:51

You need a degree to be band 5 or above if clinical?
I'm surprised at this to be honest. Lots of therapy assistants, for instance, are band 4 throughout their career but can not progress higher without an undergrad.

But in terms of 'rebranding' it doesn't really work as simply as that, you'd have to get shortlisted and pass a band 7 interview and demonstrate your skills.

Band 5 or even band 6 support workers, whilst unusual are not unheard of. The key is to be trained in doing a role that no other band 5/6 is trained / experienced in doing. Normally this involves working in a very niche area. Generally speaking you are right through. It's very heard to move from band 4 to 5, in a clinical role at least.

A band 4 to 7, or even 6 would be a huge jump OP. I'm presuming you are non clinical? Surely it would involve lots of management / service improvements at a high level? I'm genuinely interested to hear more about your role and current responsibilities.

SauvignonBlanche · 26/10/2023 19:12

The A4C Band applies to the post not the post holder.

If the duties of the post have changed then your trust will have a re-banding process, ask to see a copy of that.

Are you in a union? I would advise you to contact them.

decionsdecisions62 · 27/10/2023 15:03

Op never returned so I call bullshit!

Ollifer · 27/10/2023 15:08

Why are you going along with doing band 6/7 duties if you're employed and paid to be a band 4?? This is mad and it's shame you haven't returned to explain a bit more op.

Cheeesus · 27/10/2023 15:14

Are you managing other admin staff? You’d need to be a service manager to be admin band 6 or 7 in my board anyway.

MissDemelzaCarne · 27/10/2023 19:27

Have you put in an an official request yet?

The length of time will depend on how busy your AfC panels are, the last one I did took a couple of months.

it was for a Band 4 admin staff member who compared her role to a Band 6 Job description.

Her post was re-banded as a Band 3 so be careful! She wasn’t rebanded as she withdrew her claim, understandably.

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Laurenx1x1 · 28/10/2023 18:14

Sorry everyone I didn’t realise so many commented!! So I am not in a trust I work within the ICB. We are a small team (band 9 director, 2 band 8a’s and me project support band 4) for the UEC programme across a region. It is a newly made team so there was suspicion as to what my role would become.. I am now more than capable of the band 4 duties and capable of taking on and leading projects of my own (the UEC programme is large) there is many different aspects to the role but mainly due to dealing with very senior people, leading projects, leading steering groups and workshops, making decisions and making changes within the ICB.. initially to gain knowledge to develop, however it is clear I am more able and comfortable taking on more so we have a scope to reband my role to take on more band 6 or 7 duties aswell as what I already do. Funding is there within our programme to re structure and have a formal meeting Monday for key detail on it.. I just wondered how long a rebanding takes from the start! Xx

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Laurenx1x1 · 28/10/2023 18:17

Also, side note this has also happened in a similar structure in the ICB to another band 4 who is now a 6 for the same reasons. She started taking on projects to lead and now has a reband

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