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Please help Formal grievance changes to informal by HR

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Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 20:05

OMG I have just read the minutes from
my formal grievance meeting. I am looking at it to amend if needed. I am surprised as It says this is investigation for informal grievance present is A, B,C instead of this investigation for formal grievance. I raised this formal grievance as an informal grievance that I raised was not investigating properly. Surely it is wrong can anyone tell if it is acceptable to resign and claim constructive dismissal this really breaks my heart please advise me somebody.

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OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 16/09/2023 20:08

Sorry, bit confused - are you saying you raised it formally but it has been changed to informal?

Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 20:11

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 16/09/2023 20:08

Sorry, bit confused - are you saying you raised it formally but it has been changed to informal?

@OnAFrolicOfMyOwn Yes that’s correct.
i raised formal grievance and it was not investigated properly so I raised a formal grievance. Now according to the investigation notes the grievance was investigated informally not formally without my agreement and also why was it investigated as informal grievance yet the contents are too serious and the previous informal grievance was not investigated properly I don’t know?

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donquixotedelamancha · 16/09/2023 20:11

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 16/09/2023 20:08

Sorry, bit confused - are you saying you raised it formally but it has been changed to informal?

Yes, that's what OP's saying.

Clearly you need to correct the minutes, OP. If you want more advice than that you'll need to give some specifics.

Don't resign immediately. Speak to ACAS and consider joining a union. Your home insurance may also provide legal cover, so you can get advice.

Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 20:15

donquixotedelamancha · 16/09/2023 20:11

Yes, that's what OP's saying.

Clearly you need to correct the minutes, OP. If you want more advice than that you'll need to give some specifics.

Don't resign immediately. Speak to ACAS and consider joining a union. Your home insurance may also provide legal cover, so you can get advice.

@donquixotedelamancha Thank you I will look at it again and call ACAS on Monday. surely they can’t just switch like that change form formal to informal to suit them.

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arcadiamadia · 16/09/2023 20:18

I oversee grievances in my role at work. It is likely to be a typo. Just change it to formal and see the process through.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/09/2023 20:18

surely they can’t just switch like that change form formal to informal to suit them.

They can do whatever they like (whoever they is). The question is what are the consequences of that. Presumably informal in this context means that the employer are not going to apply their grienvance or disciplinary policy.

Can you say what the outcome of the grievance was?

Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 20:39

arcadiamadia · 16/09/2023 20:18

I oversee grievances in my role at work. It is likely to be a typo. Just change it to formal and see the process through.

@arcadiamadia thank you. I am not sure what happened. Surely it’s against once wish law to change formal grievance to informal grievance without discussing it with with me if they did right?

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Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 20:44

donquixotedelamancha · 16/09/2023 20:18

surely they can’t just switch like that change form formal to informal to suit them.

They can do whatever they like (whoever they is). The question is what are the consequences of that. Presumably informal in this context means that the employer are not going to apply their grienvance or disciplinary policy.

Can you say what the outcome of the grievance was?

No outcome yet ai am still waiting. I was just sent the minutes of the investigation to check and amend. I thought when they switched to informal they are preventing me from taking them to the Employment Tribune should I feel it is the best option?

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arcadiamadia · 16/09/2023 20:44

One of the tenets of the grievance process is a willingness on both sides to solve the issue and find a way forward so however the grievance is raised the first thing to do is see if it can be made right. So I wouldn't personally be too worried about formal / informal. If you can't resolve it quickly it will follow formal steps.

arcadiamadia · 16/09/2023 21:22

Just to say, if you're not already in a union they won't act for you now that you've raised the grievance. ACAS are worth speaking to though.

Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 21:25

arcadiamadia · 16/09/2023 20:44

One of the tenets of the grievance process is a willingness on both sides to solve the issue and find a way forward so however the grievance is raised the first thing to do is see if it can be made right. So I wouldn't personally be too worried about formal / informal. If you can't resolve it quickly it will follow formal steps.

Oh really!! I do hope so.

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Figgygal · 16/09/2023 21:27

Just see it through certainly don't resign constructive dismissal claims are notoriously difficult to win
Whether the notes say informal or formal surely the fact they are investigating and you will have an outcome suggests its being managed formally

Alexxxy · 16/09/2023 21:31

Figgygal · 16/09/2023 21:27

Just see it through certainly don't resign constructive dismissal claims are notoriously difficult to win
Whether the notes say informal or formal surely the fact they are investigating and you will have an outcome suggests its being managed formally

@Figgygal Thank you. I am hoping that I still have a possibility to take it to ET if needed despite them calling it informal rather than formal grievance. I will make few phone calls on Monday and take it from there.

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