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Any NHS HR people?

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Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 09:36

I started a new job a few months ago. 15 hours a week, one of those days is every Monday. Now the service I am in is Monday to Friday 8-4. What is my bank holiday entitlement? Do I get the full 8 days a year or is it pro rata? I seem to be having to take my annual leave to have bank holidays off even though I am not meant to work them!

Very confused as I previously was in A&E where we obviously worked bank holidays and it was attached to our annual leave.

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AlexandraJJ · 14/09/2023 09:37

BH will be pro rata

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Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 09:42

AlexandraJJ · 14/09/2023 09:37

BH will be pro rata

Ok thank you. So am I expected to take my own annual leave when I am not meant to work Mondays when it's a bank holiday? It doesn't make sense.

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TheFeistyFeminist · 14/09/2023 09:55

Work out the percentage of full time that you are; 15/37.5 in most cases. You're entitled to that percentage of annual leave and that percentage of bank holidays. It would be unreasonable to other staff for you to get more entitlement, but working every Monday on that pattern does skew the balance the other way. Is there scope for you to work a different pattern on bank holiday weeks so you still do your hours?

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Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 09:58

TheFeistyFeminist · 14/09/2023 09:55

Work out the percentage of full time that you are; 15/37.5 in most cases. You're entitled to that percentage of annual leave and that percentage of bank holidays. It would be unreasonable to other staff for you to get more entitlement, but working every Monday on that pattern does skew the balance the other way. Is there scope for you to work a different pattern on bank holiday weeks so you still do your hours?

Yes there might be but I have my child care set up for Monday only. But possibly. I will ask. It does feel like it disadvantages me more than the others who don't work Mondays. So now I have no annual leave and Xmas where we won't be open.

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 14/09/2023 10:05

Monday is never the ideal day to work as a part timer.

Full timers newly joining the NHS get 202.5 hours, plus 60 hours bank holiday.

Working 15 hours a week, you'll be entitled to 24 hours bank holiday and 81 hours annual leave (96 hours in total). At least 30 of these hours will be taken up by the four standard Monday bank holidays. Leaving 66 hours.

What is your other working day? If a Friday then Good Friday will always come off, any other day then there's Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Year's Day to consider.

As a previous poster said, you can ask to work a different day on Bank Holiday weeks to save the leave. They don't have to say yes though. For example, my friend works Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday (AM) and her job share works Wednesday (PM), Thursday and Friday. She wouldn't be allowed to switch days, they work on reception and they don't need two receptionists in on one day.

BendingSpoons · 14/09/2023 10:07

This is a disadvantage to working Mondays when you are part time. Your AL will be 40%, so 40% of BH and of AL. Our AL year runs April to March and there are 9 BHs due to how Easter falls, so you would get 3.6 BH days entitlement. Our trust rounds up to the nearest half day, so 4 days. Unfortunately due to Christmas dates there are 6 Mondays, 1 Tue and 2 Fridays. So you would have to use AL to cover the rest of the Mondays.

It is fair in the sense you will work the same number of days as a colleague working different days but unfair in that you get less choice.

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Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 10:12

Yes I am now realising that Monday is not the best day as a part timer! Having always worked shifts it's not something I have ever considered! I have been in the NHS 24 years so I get full annual leave entitlement, so I guess that helps. But I will email my bosses and ask about doing other days to save my leave. I think they will be fine with this as I am clinical and can cover other staff annual leave days etc and there's way more work than we have the capacity to do within our hours!

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Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 10:14

My other day is a Wednesday. So that's fine with Xmas and new year.

So there are 9 bank holidays this year?

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 14/09/2023 10:39

Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 10:14

My other day is a Wednesday. So that's fine with Xmas and new year.

So there are 9 bank holidays this year?

Yes, you should receive an extra 3 hours leave entitlement for it (pro rata from 7.5 hours for a full timer)

HunterHearstHelmsley · 14/09/2023 10:41

Worth bearing in mind for 2024/2025, six of the eight bank holidays will fall on your working days (45 hours holiday)

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Orangebadger · 14/09/2023 10:43

HunterHearstHelmsley · 14/09/2023 10:41

Worth bearing in mind for 2024/2025, six of the eight bank holidays will fall on your working days (45 hours holiday)

Thank you! I am going to get more organised for next year!!

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BendingSpoons · 14/09/2023 10:48

Assuming your leave runs from April, there are 9 BHs because Good Friday is 31st March 2024, so is included in 23/24.

I would hope they are flexible and let you work extra days. I am clinical 22.5 hours. There is always something to cover so if I need extra time off, I will often cover something and take TOIL when needed, providing it is within a few weeks.

prescribingmum · 14/09/2023 10:51

Your trust should have a policy with AL calculations in it.
So if you are new to NHS, you would get 27 days AL plus 8 days BH which is 35 days. This is calculated based on 7.5hr days so total is 262.5 hours

As you work 0.4FTE, you get 105 hours leave.
Each time a BH falls on your working day, the number of hours you would have worked are deducted from that 105 hours.

Hope that makes sense.

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