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Colleague in line for promotion above me

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User12765 · 23/08/2023 11:57

Hello,

There is a promotion available within my team by end of year and my colleague and I both want it. We are about the same level and have similar roles and responsibilities, though I have a year more experience then her I don't think this counts for anything. I would say I'm more quiet, a safe pair of hands that gets on with things without fuss. She is much more vocal and voices when she is unhappy.
My colleague is in line to get the promotion over me, and they are suggesting I move teams at some point where there is a gap for that level and that is how I'll be promoted.

I just feel very unhappy and have a meeting with senior management next week. I am not sure how to articulate that I don't think it's fair without actually bringing her into it?

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TeenagersAngst · 23/08/2023 12:03

Why do you not think it's fair?

TeenagersAngst · 23/08/2023 12:04

Has there been an application process or are they just giving it to her?

Uncooperativefingers · 23/08/2023 12:07

If she is vocal, has she been asking for promotion for longer than you? And as a result been given development opportunities in order to provide her readiness?

It is often a case of being a squeaky wheel to get the informal development I'm afraid.

Wrt to the meeting next week, ask what the criteria and application process for promotion are. State clearly that you would like to be considered. You don't need to mention her

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:17

There is no application process - this is the private sector so it's just a case of people being put forward as and when. However this is changing to become about "business need" and the lead on our team thinks there is only room for one person on the team to be promoted to that level since this change - otherwise we would have both been put forward. I think it is unfair because:

  1. We do the same type of work
  2. I have longer service
  3. The client knows me and does not know her due to the responsibilities I have had in the team
  4. I feel I have more on my shoulders than she does due to point 3.
  5. She has been offered the opportunity to grow whereas I now feel like I'm being held back because I keep everything ticking over in my area of work.

I'm struggling to articulate properly due to keeping things a bit vague I'm sorry

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UndercoverCop · 23/08/2023 12:20

Ultimately is she better than you? It's not about a year's extra service. If you think you're better for the role than she is then book an appointment with your boss and explain why you are the best fit for the promotion. Not to complain but to highlight your strengths, leadership qualities etc

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:28

I would say we are on a par in terms of skills but I maybe have more experience. I don't think I'm better than her or she's better than me. The issue is I feel sidelined and not being given opportunities.

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Bessica1970 · 23/08/2023 12:31

It sounds like maybe she’s more ambitious. Does she network, ask for extra training etc?

Gazelda · 23/08/2023 12:37

Do you have regular appraisals? Did you express a desire for a promotion at your last one?

I honestly can't see it's unfair. There's one role and she's obviously put herself forward for it more robustly than you have.

I think you should go to the meeting next week with a clear idea of what you want the outcome to be - is it to be offered the promotion, or is it to be supported to be ready for the next opportunity? Outline your skills, loyalty, network and relationship skills, reliability, sad pair of hands.

Go to the meeting with a positive attitude and a listening approach. Ask for what you want. That's what she's done and she's got it.

Marblessolveeverything · 23/08/2023 12:38

It sounds like she has is showing more strategic thinking. The reality is to progress in private industry you need to self advocate and self promote. Is this a gap in your skillset ?

Honestly experience isn't always to your benefit. Once someone has capacity to learn the relevant area most people are now more aware of transferable management skills.

Flexibility, exploring progression career opportunities, team planning, strategic thinks more important in my experience.

Magenta82 · 23/08/2023 12:40

Does the promotion involve managing people, more public speaking, perhaps more client contact, or communicationin general?

That could be an explanation for why they would prefer a more outgoing person.

Emmylou22 · 23/08/2023 12:43

Marblessolveeverything · 23/08/2023 12:38

It sounds like she has is showing more strategic thinking. The reality is to progress in private industry you need to self advocate and self promote. Is this a gap in your skillset ?

Honestly experience isn't always to your benefit. Once someone has capacity to learn the relevant area most people are now more aware of transferable management skills.

Flexibility, exploring progression career opportunities, team planning, strategic thinks more important in my experience.

Totally agree with this. I'm not in the private sector but some people where I work often bang on about unfairness and people progressing ahead of them. They don't recognise the need to self-advocate, network, gain yourself a good reputation, volunteer or seek out new opportunities and generally put yourself in a better position when jobs come up. Maybe her skills in that respect put her in better stead for that particular job that's coming up. A quiet safe pair of hands often isn't what's needed in those senior positions.

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 23/08/2023 12:45

It’s awful when this happens. All you can do is let them know you are ready to take a step up. I think being offered a pretend promotion is just rubbing salt in the wound. You don’t have to stay working for the same place. Maybe start looking for another job that is a step up?

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:48

Magenta82 · 23/08/2023 12:40

Does the promotion involve managing people, more public speaking, perhaps more client contact, or communicationin general?

That could be an explanation for why they would prefer a more outgoing person.

No it doesn't but if it did I am doing lots more of that than her. I am constantly in client meetings whereas she is not as the client doesn't know her.

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User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:49

Bessica1970 · 23/08/2023 12:31

It sounds like maybe she’s more ambitious. Does she network, ask for extra training etc?

She does not network or ask for ask for extra training we are a small team

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Combusting · 23/08/2023 12:51

Then what do you think is the cause of what your perceive as a great unfairness?

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:52

Gazelda · 23/08/2023 12:37

Do you have regular appraisals? Did you express a desire for a promotion at your last one?

I honestly can't see it's unfair. There's one role and she's obviously put herself forward for it more robustly than you have.

I think you should go to the meeting next week with a clear idea of what you want the outcome to be - is it to be offered the promotion, or is it to be supported to be ready for the next opportunity? Outline your skills, loyalty, network and relationship skills, reliability, sad pair of hands.

Go to the meeting with a positive attitude and a listening approach. Ask for what you want. That's what she's done and she's got it.

Yes I have regular appraisals as does she and we both always put forward the desire for promotion. The problem is I was managing 3 accounts and she was only managing 1 so she got the opportunity to help co-manage a second larger account as she had the spare time. However my 3 accounts took the same amount of money combined in Q2 than the larger account and I am working single handedly on these whereas there are more people on the larger account (as it's larger). And so I think because she got moved into the larger account that is where the promotion now lies as that is viewed more favourably as is considered a bigger money generator. However the work we are doing is the same except I am responsible for more as I am on my own whereas she is co-managing.

I hope that makes sense!

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Womencanlift · 23/08/2023 12:55

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:28

I would say we are on a par in terms of skills but I maybe have more experience. I don't think I'm better than her or she's better than me. The issue is I feel sidelined and not being given opportunities.

Is this a consultant type role? Just wondering when you say the client

In my experience of promotions in that area it will be down to how you sell yourself (I know it’s not the most fair process)

Your length of service will have nothing to do with it. However client feedback will, so make sure you are getting 360s submitted from your client and/or stakeholders

Over and above the job is also as important as doing the job. You also need to make your own opportunities - see where there is a gap and fill it before being asked. Yes you may have to do in your spare time, that’s the way of it, so find “extra things” that you actually enjoy doing so you don’t hate that you may have to do it at night or the weekend

I work in the consultant type field and the year running up to my promotion I never worked harder. It was during lockdown too so the visibility side of things (which is so much more important than you think) was difficult so it was down to volunteering for things, asking what is going on and offering help, basically taking the initiative

Also you likely expect your managers know all the details of what you are doing. They don’t. They have multiple line reports plus their own job to remember the intricate details of. Use your 121s to clearly explain everything you are doing. Keep a diary at the end of each week and use that in your 121s. Share it with your manager so they have it in writing and set up 121s with their manager and/or other managers

You need to make sure they are talking about you when you are not in the room

Once you get the promotion you can take your foot off the gas a bit aa the extras won’t be as important so just remember that

Finally in my experience they won’t promote you unless you are already doing the job so read up on the job description and find examples of when you are delivering at that level

Good luck!

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:58

@Womencanlift thank you so much this is really helpful! This is exactly what I needed for the meeting. I don't even want to mention my colleague - I don't want it to seem like I want to oust her she is doing a great job and I just need to find a way to create my own opportunities.

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User12765 · 23/08/2023 13:05

I think my issue is I have been doing the job for some time and my manager wanted to be me forward for the next round of promotions in November and the issue is the company has changed process so now there needs to be a business need, and we won't get two promotions authorised. So I just feel I've been doing all these tasks above my pay grade (sometimes two roles above my pay grade) and now it's all been thrown up into the air when this will actually be reflected in a promotion

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honeylulu · 23/08/2023 13:06

I think you've answered your own question. You keep things running smoothly and ticking over quietly and she's more vocal and go-getting. It probably suits your employer very well to have you cracking on with productivity and someone with a different dynamic steering the bigger picture.

I didn't mean the above unkindly. I'm much more like you and was previously overlooked for promotion as I was a good, reliable "workhorse" who kept productivity high. I didn't like office politics or the idea of managing people. I had to change my mindset and become more vocal and strategic (and even then there was a bit if resistance as they knew once I had other responsibilities my billing would drop) but I'm now a partner so it worked in the end.

User12765 · 23/08/2023 13:09

@honeylulu that's amazing! Thank you 😊 that is definitely what I'm thinking too

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FarEast · 23/08/2023 13:14

I'm struggling to articulate properly due to keeping things a bit vague

Possibly this us why your colleague is being considered ahead of you. Maybe they want more than things being kept ticking over?

I think you need to identify what your claims are to the promotion, and then put your managers on the spot about why you didn't get it. DON'T mention your colleague - they really can't tell you about other people - it would be totally unprofessional. Ask them what you would have to do to be promoted.

But it sounds like they are going to promote you. Take it from me, there are jobs I was gutted not to get (and once it was very painful as someone I was "equal" to, got the job I wanted) but I look back, and think "Thank goodness!" I was very lucky not to get a couple of jobs I really wanted at the time.

Aprilx · 23/08/2023 14:38

User12765 · 23/08/2023 12:17

There is no application process - this is the private sector so it's just a case of people being put forward as and when. However this is changing to become about "business need" and the lead on our team thinks there is only room for one person on the team to be promoted to that level since this change - otherwise we would have both been put forward. I think it is unfair because:

  1. We do the same type of work
  2. I have longer service
  3. The client knows me and does not know her due to the responsibilities I have had in the team
  4. I feel I have more on my shoulders than she does due to point 3.
  5. She has been offered the opportunity to grow whereas I now feel like I'm being held back because I keep everything ticking over in my area of work.

I'm struggling to articulate properly due to keeping things a bit vague I'm sorry

I honestly don't think that any of those five things demonstrate that there is any unfairness. If I were promoting somebody, potential would be one of the key things I would want to see, not really years of experience or knowing a client and to be honest, somebody having a lot on their plate wouldn't come into it at all.

She has just pipped you at the post, it happens sometimes, I think you would do yourself a greater favour by being gracious rather than complaining about it being unfair. Also they have pointed out where there might be an opportunity for promotion in the future, so I don't think they are side-lining you and I would focus on realising that.

WeAreAllLionesses · 23/08/2023 15:11

DH went for a promotion a grade above and his colleague got it.

A few months later, a position two grades higher came available and DH got that.

Don't give up hope!

Marblessolveeverything · 23/08/2023 16:53

I think you have identified the rationale. Plenty of resources to develop a more visible assertive communication style. Wishing you success.

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