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Anyone actually enjoy teaching?

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squidwid · 27/04/2023 18:34

I've heard horror stories. Anyone actually enjoy it?

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Whyarewehardofthinking · 27/04/2023 21:15

I adore teaching. I don't enjoy the hours or the complete and utter lack of resources we now face; I know that I, my school and my profession are failing children, and that hurts me on a level I cannot explain.

I am the DSL and am struggling to do my job, a job that is fundamental. I can't keep living with the guilt, so I am out of here once our DDs both leave for university and we can downsize.

bluechameleon · 27/04/2023 21:23

I love many things about my job, but there are parts that are pretty soul-destroying too. I'm a SENCO. I don't think I'd love it if I was a mainstream class teacher.

thatsn0tmyname · 27/04/2023 21:25

I enjoy teaching. 23 years in, secondary science, and will aim for 10 more years. I have no additional roles, just a classroom teacher, and most days I just about keep my head above water.

EVHead · 27/04/2023 21:28

At its best, the best job in the world. Being around kids is fantastic.

At its worst, utterly soul destroying. Nothing is ever enough. Nothing is allowed to bed in - constant new initiatives. 35 hour working week my arse.

littleripper · 27/04/2023 21:29

Yes, I love it so much. But I do not work in a school.

Justaflippertyjibbet · 27/04/2023 21:32

After 20 years of retirement I still have nightmares about Ofsted.

CutiePatooties · 27/04/2023 21:34

I’m new to teaching and I loved my NQT year… currently teaching a different class and parents are making me wonder if I really want to continue doing this job any more.

Tusktusk · 27/04/2023 21:41

I’m in my 20th year of teaching. It depends so much on the school - specifically SLT and your department colleagues. It can be absolute hell if you are working 60-70 hours per week but it still isn’t good enough. But if you are working those hours but your school actually appreciates you and supports you if they can, then it’s exhausting but also the most wonderful job in the world. Thankfully, I’m currently in the latter. I have been in the former and it almost destroyed me.

ClassicHummus · 27/04/2023 21:41

Yes!
Teacher of 8 years here.

I genuinely love my job; yes, it is hard work and there are some difficult days but I can't imagine ever wanting to do anything else.

That being said: personality wise, I find it reasonably straightforward to implement boundaries regarding work-life balance and I don't particularly struggle with 'switching off'.

Lots of my colleagues are much more perfectionist than I am, and typically these colleagues will work long long hours and be significantly less happy.

Justaflippertyjibbet · 28/04/2023 00:11

CutiePatooties · 27/04/2023 21:34

I’m new to teaching and I loved my NQT year… currently teaching a different class and parents are making me wonder if I really want to continue doing this job any more.

I can thoroughly understand this. Is this a blip in the school or are the parents generally troublesome. If it is the latter I would change school soon.

CutiePatooties · 28/04/2023 05:41

@Justaflippertyjibbet they are a bunch of parents who don’t like teachers who have firm boundaries and follow the school’s behaviour policy to the letter.

They bullied a Y3 teacher (who’s now left) by constantly complaining to the head that she was ‘too strict’ and creating a WhatsApp group to tear her down. I took the class for a day (was promised a handover as I’m back from maternity leave, but no handover given). I received a lot of push back from the class, so had to be firm with them and 2 parents emailed in complaining, one ran up to the head shouting and swearing because I’d moved their child to next door’s classroom (after countless warnings over multiple things).

A parent approached me to let me know they’re all complaining about me on the playground. I’m due to teach them full time soon and it really doesn’t look like I’ll be getting a thorough handover. Not knowing the children, their needs, what gets them motivated to learn etc obviously didn’t help the situation. Every bit of me just doesn’t want to step back into that classroom.

CakeMakesMeHappy · 28/04/2023 06:11

Yes. I love it. 14 years in and I can’t imagine doing anything else. Part time, with three small children, works.

But I am exhausted.

sashh · 28/04/2023 08:08

I love the actual teaching.

I also love teaching the lower groups, when someone 'gets it', sometimes after being taught it for several years.

Yuja · 28/04/2023 08:14

I enjoyed it when I taught in a private school and when I taught in an international school. I did not enjoy one moment of teaching in a state comprehensive. I bowed out of the profession after 12 years.

Neverknowinglysensible · 28/04/2023 08:23

It’s the best job in the world - with a good class. It’s the worst job in the world with an uncooperative class coupled with the demands of SLT!

Onehappymam · 28/04/2023 08:37

I’ve been teaching in a secondary school for 20 years and I’m done. No way could I do it for another 25. Hoping to leave in the next couple of years.

I’m exhausted. The job is draining. All the fun stuff has been stripped away - no school trips, no days out, no visitors to the school. We don’t have the money any more. We don’t even have enough pencils to go round!

And I’ve seen a definite shift in the attitude of parents and the behaviour of pupils. The change I’ve seen in boys in particular is really worrying. They worship Andrew Tate and are obsessed with porn hub. Being told to fuck off was a rarity, now it’s the norm.

As an English teacher, the saddest thing of all is that it’s harder than ever to get the class hooked. It used to be that no matter how tough the class, if you picked the right text they would be glued to it, hanging on your every word. Nowadays so many of them have the attention span of a goldfish. Their hand is in their pocket checking their phone at every opportunity. It’s sad to see.

But on a good day, when it all goes well, there’s no better job! And I know when I leave I’ll miss it.

squidwid · 28/04/2023 09:16

Looking for information regarding primary. Thank you for your replies!

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Shinyandnew1 · 28/04/2023 09:41

Yep-I am primary-have been teaching since the 90s. Bring with the children is exhausting but fabulous-they are 100% the best but if the job-you are never bored and the days fly by.

But as I said, the teaching bit is a very small part of the day and it now almost feels like I’m wishing for the end of the day, for the kids to go home, so I can start my actual job-the bits that SLT/Ofsted care about. The paperwork. This is sadly the majority of the job now and it’s endless, thankless and pointless. I wouldn’t encourage anyone to go into teaching at the moment. My own kids have seen it for themselves and wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. They can see the workload contrast between me and eg DH who has the same level of qualifications but WFH, very little stress, no working at the weekends or evenings, can take Annual Leave when they need him to and gets paid twice what I do. It’s not just him though-most of our friends and family have much more flexible, less stressful, better paid jobs which actually appreciate experience and don’t put in capability proceedings if you get too expensive.

cantkeepawayforever · 28/04/2023 09:48

Exactly what Shinyandnew1 says. I love teaching, but so much of the job of being a teacher is not teaching that the 8.45 - 3.15 hours of teaching feel almost like an interruption to the endless ‘to do’ list of the ‘real’ job.

squidwid · 28/04/2023 09:53

Is it the same in Wales?

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CutiePatooties · 28/04/2023 09:53

@squidwid primary teacher here.

the actual teaching and learning is priceless. Really rewarding, the children are amazing. If it was only that involved, I’d say yes, 100% I enjoy it. However there’s so much other stuff that makes it less enjoyable.
parents can be a pain, if your SLT aren’t supportive then you’re screwed, subject knowledge has to cover English, maths, science, history, RE, geography, P.E, PSHE, (we’ve recently started teaching French when only one of us can speak French 🙄) art, DT. You have observations to check you’re meeting the teaching standards in your lessons, SLT do learning walks, book scrutinies, there are behaviour policies, marking policies, teacher standards and you have to be up to date in your knowledge of any schemes of work/schemes for learning that your school follow. Your SEN and pupil premium resources, IEPs and interventions are checked. Your lower 20% interventions are checked. They ask for pupil voice to ensure the children are being challenged and enjoy being in your classroom etc which is justifiable I’m just showing that every aspect of your job is SCRUTINISED to the last detail. You have to be prepared for that, have a thick skin, be reflective, be willing to adapt etc. You can be moved to any year group - I passed my NQT last year and I’ve been placed in year4, EYFS and year5. That’s me having to start all that planning from scratch with no prior experience in those year groups- it’s tough. People mention holidays, but my holidays, half terms and weekends are taken up with planning, updating IEPs, making/getting resources ready, potentially taking books home to mark on some weekends if I’ve had a staff meeting to attend or parents evenings happening etc. I have 2 small DC and have had to miss certain things they have going on- one has class assemblies, a parents evening here or there that I’ve had to miss. I’ve now been given a subject to lead as I’ve passed NQT so I have to work on that as well.
I’ve been told it gets better the more experience you have (which makes sense, as you can use previous planning) but as I’ve not had the same year group twice, I haven’t seen the benefit of this yet. You can put a preference in for the year group you’d like to teach, but you don’t always get what you’ve asked for.
I do wish from my personal experience, that I waited until my DC were older, as I spend less time with them than I’d like. I always seem to be working. If I came to work and I was appreciated, I might feel a bit different, but parents complain and I can’t remember the last time SLT thanked me for anything.
It’s a lot of work and when you sit down and work out the hours you put in and the pay you get at the end of it, that’s soul destroying. I last worked out I was on below minimum wage for the hours I put in each week.
This is just my experience though. It probably does depend on the school as well.

cantkeepawayforever · 28/04/2023 10:09

squidwid · 28/04/2023 09:53

Is it the same in Wales?

I think that it is somewhat different in Wales - as the lower levels of advertised teaching vacancies there testify.

The Welsh Government has a somewhat less low opinion of teachers, and thus have reached a higher pay settlement.

The curriculum is play-based for longer.

Accountability processes are not as onerous or punitive - Estyn is not Ofsted, and the extremes of SATs and league tables don’t feature in the same way.

There will still be the pressures of children’s behaviour, pandemic impacts, SEN, and in some areas (eg coastal towns) entrenched poverty both in terms of money and expectations, plus the fact that much of Wales is rural and so services that support schools (especially NHS-backed) are stretched very thinly.

squidwid · 28/04/2023 10:11

Interesting. Thank you.

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