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JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 11:40

Hi,
Looking for advice for a friend.
Scenario is:

  • Signed a remote contract during Covid (2020) for new job, has the usual clause of the company can change expected location if there is 'a need' to. It was specifically negotiated as a remote contract and it wasn't standard at the time to put people on remote contracts.
  • Now the company have said anyone within a certain distance of an existing office has to change to office based or 'hybrid' where currently hybrid means they can use the office as much as they want but no mandated number of days
  • HR are chasing her to choose but she wants to stay remote.

What are her rights/options? It doesn't seem like the right thing to just agree to a contract change although she would do that rather than being dismissed (!)

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Quveas · 22/04/2023 11:56

If they are adamant that she must choose one or the other and cannot stay on a remote based contract, then she doesn't really have any real options. If she refuses to change her contract and the employer disagrees with her, then their option is to serve her notice and offer her the new terms. She can then decide to accept them or not - if she doesn't she is deemed to have resigned but in such a case she does have the option to make a claim for unfair dismissal (assuming she has the required 2 years service). That said, given the relocation clause is in there, unless the office is an unreasonable distance / travel time away or she has a very good reason for refusing, she will almost certainly lose such a claim. It is nowhere near as hard to change an employment contract as many people think it is, and if her position is that she isn't prepared to risk her job, then I wouldn't recommend chancing it. I know almost nothing about her or her job, but I could construct a compelling management reason for the change that a tribunal would probably accept in less than five minutes! If the job then doesn't suit her, then obviously she has the option to look for another one.

stormytwilightnight · 22/04/2023 12:49

From what you have said, if she chooses hybrid, she doesn’t have a set amount of days she has to go in the office anyway, so I can’t see why she is objecting? As previous poster said, employers can always change contracts easily, so if she wants to stay there, she needs to sign the contract.

JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 15:01

Thank you both!

From what you have said, if she chooses hybrid, she doesn’t have a set amount of days she has to go in the office anyway, so I can’t see why she is objecting?

At the moment, hybrid workers are supposed to go into work once a week as part of a 'trial' at the end of which a decision will be made as to whether this will be enforced. Ideally she would stay on a remote contract as can do her job remotely without a problem.
Doesn’t sound like she has much choice though, we were hoping that continuing to work remotely would be honoured but sounds like company are within their rights to change it.

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Macaroni46 · 22/04/2023 15:05

JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 15:01

Thank you both!

From what you have said, if she chooses hybrid, she doesn’t have a set amount of days she has to go in the office anyway, so I can’t see why she is objecting?

At the moment, hybrid workers are supposed to go into work once a week as part of a 'trial' at the end of which a decision will be made as to whether this will be enforced. Ideally she would stay on a remote contract as can do her job remotely without a problem.
Doesn’t sound like she has much choice though, we were hoping that continuing to work remotely would be honoured but sounds like company are within their rights to change it.

Surely once a week isn't that bad? I'd just suck it up if I was her.

AchillesElbow · 22/04/2023 15:07

This seems to be happening more and more.

At my company we are not making remote workers come into the office if they really don’t want to or live too far away, but we are not hiring any more staff on remote contracts. There is now a mandated 2 days a week in the office for new hires. It just doesn’t work well having key people out of the office permanently.

nowinhouse · 22/04/2023 15:10

Renote workers can charge travel expenses for travelling to office. I wouldn't be just signing a new contract without a sweetener.

Quveas · 22/04/2023 15:15

nowinhouse · 22/04/2023 15:10

Renote workers can charge travel expenses for travelling to office. I wouldn't be just signing a new contract without a sweetener.

No they can't. There is no law saying that an employer has to pay ANY travel expenses, so this just isn't the case.

The "sweetener" is that she gets to keep her job and some remote working.

Greenfairydust · 22/04/2023 15:21

I would not agree to a new contract.

If the vacancy was advertised as fully remote and the contract states that this is a remote role I don't see why they expect her to suddenly agree to something totally different.

What would happen if someone lived 3/4 hours away from where the company is based?

It would be completely unreasonable to suddenly expect them to travel every week. Their decision to take the job would have been based on the fact that it was a remote role.

I think employers are shooting themselves in the foot with this as people now know full well that a job can be done remotely or with hybrid arrangements and won't agree to changes or stay in jobs that try to go back to the same office based nonsense for no good reason.

My current role is hybrid but as I have moved further away I will soon be job hunting for something local or fully remote. I will never go back to something that involves regular commute.

JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 15:48

@Greenfairydust they have made the rule that anyone within 50 miles of the office should move to hybrid/office so those who are further away stay remote, my friend is unfortunately 40 miles away and quite rural so it's about an hour and a half travel time door to door.
Full disclosure: I'm her manager and don't see the value in forcing her to arbitrarily travel to the office, especially for the kind of work she does where her private garden office is much more conducive to being productive. I don't want her to go and find another job though! Since contractually/legally seems the company are fine to do this I think we just agree to hybrid and hope it doesn't escalate into too much office presence which would reduce my team's productivity!

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Quveas · 22/04/2023 16:49

JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 15:48

@Greenfairydust they have made the rule that anyone within 50 miles of the office should move to hybrid/office so those who are further away stay remote, my friend is unfortunately 40 miles away and quite rural so it's about an hour and a half travel time door to door.
Full disclosure: I'm her manager and don't see the value in forcing her to arbitrarily travel to the office, especially for the kind of work she does where her private garden office is much more conducive to being productive. I don't want her to go and find another job though! Since contractually/legally seems the company are fine to do this I think we just agree to hybrid and hope it doesn't escalate into too much office presence which would reduce my team's productivity!

I didn't mention this before because you hadn't included this information, but your company know what they are doing. Broadly speaking, the "bar" is set at 50 miles or 1.5 hours! Over that then it may be deemed an unfair change. It can be less - but only a tribunal would be able to arbitrate that decision, and unless "inconvenience" is not the only factor, it would probably not be a strong case.

It sounds to me like this is being prompted by other concerns. Despite the fact that absolutely everybody is far more effective and productive working from home (according to them), employers find that this isn't always true, or isn't true of everybody. If there are issues emerging, they might struggle to justify making some people (the ones that they are suspicious of) work in the office (where, even with hybrid working, they can be monitored more closely) unless they have a catch all policy.

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JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 19:06

Thank you @Quveas you have been super helpful! Having managed someone remote (and a different timezone) fairly recently who barely got anything done, I understand how hard it can be to prove employees aren't meeting expectations so I kind of get it but my current team work so well remotely and I have zero concerns about them so really hope none of them are chased away by imposed office time!

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Quveas · 22/04/2023 21:42

JadeVS72 · 22/04/2023 19:06

Thank you @Quveas you have been super helpful! Having managed someone remote (and a different timezone) fairly recently who barely got anything done, I understand how hard it can be to prove employees aren't meeting expectations so I kind of get it but my current team work so well remotely and I have zero concerns about them so really hope none of them are chased away by imposed office time!

If you have discretion, use it wisely. Team face to face time can be very effectively used, and can improve wfh performance by strengthening links and communications. Make the time valuable to them and they won't be chased away.

And yeah - I had one of those too, during Covid lockdowns, and it is very hard to monitor problems, and takes much longer to identify than in the office.

JadeVS72 · 23/04/2023 12:37

Make the time valuable to them and they won't be chased away.

Haha yeah that's the trick! My team, including this friend, have all been very willing to come to the office when they can see the value (I was having everyone in once or twice a quarter pre-trial) but not sure how I am going to keep finding things we can't do effectively remotely after we have put so much effort into our remote processes 😁

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Quveas · 23/04/2023 13:12

I find "nice lunch out somewhere" works quite well!

JadeVS72 · 23/04/2023 13:57

Quveas · 23/04/2023 13:12

I find "nice lunch out somewhere" works quite well!

😁 Absolutely! We normally do this but expenses won't quite stretch to weekly so I think it'll be self funded in the pub most weeks but better than nothing!

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Lt84 · 14/12/2023 22:22

Help needed … do I have to RTO ?

Since 2019 I have purposely chosen to work in remote (home-based) roles for a number of reasons, one of which is driven by the impact of an advanced and progressive eye disease in both eyes which results in a visual disability i.e., limiting the extended time in environments which trigger symptoms and other atopic conditions that makes daily lens wearing time and the time available with good vision low, reduce the risk of infection, further corneal degradation or the loss of bespoke contact lenses.

I have come to my current role via an acquisition of my previous company where I was also a remote worker with a negotiated contract and renumeration package based on remote working. Early this year the business released a statement of “office vs flex” stating that any employee within 50 miles of an office will be classed as “flex” and no longer entitled to remote worker benefits including expenses into an office or home wifi/telephone charges. At the time it was confirmed that any changes to our contracts (as a move to flex working would be a contractual change) “all employees would receive written confirmation once the project is complete i.e.. We are still working with some employees globally (and some in the UK) who have not yet confirmed their choice of office vs flex.”. Whilst I have endeavoured to be a good corporate citizen and have refrained from claiming any expenses I may be entitled to as a remote worker I have never received, to my knowledge, an updated contract nor signed any amendment stating as such.

The return-to-work policy (mandatory 2 days per week) will be in full force from the 1stJanuary, that being said, I have not had any further consultation on the initial Office/Flex decision since April, a discussion about whether I would have additional access needs to be able to work in the office more regularly, nor on the remuneration impact that a return to work would entail to my net salary.

As I wear bespoke rigid contact lenses to correct my vision, all of the detail regarding how people are affected daily and at work are relevant. I am not completely immune from triggers by working from home, there have been times where I have had to remove a lens and mitigate escalations of the eye swelling etc, that being said these occurrences are more easily manageable when based from home with the appropriate solutions/eye masks, lighting, etc on hand.

The additional expense to abide by the RTW policy would be in the region of £70 weekly which is approx. an additional £900 per quarter from my net salary as my contract does not presently include renumeration for travel expenses/inclusive of London weighting. This equally does not take into consideration the additional 2+ hours per day commuting time.

i have expressed in my 121s with my manager that it has not been my intention to return to an office/hybrid role on a permanent basis; that being said, given the responsibilities of my role I am happy to make myself available to attend my nearest office as part of my responsibilities. Whether this is a weekly 1 or 2 day(s) per week need however is debatable in light of the fact that the teams I support are mostly outside of the UK and therefore my location to them is less relevant. Even so, given the above factors, to be forced, without consideration of exceptions, to the return-to-work policy from the 1st January I believe is unfair.

Can the business force me to RTO and if so, at effectively a net pay decrease ?

Oblomov23 · 18/12/2023 15:50

I'm so glad I read this thread. I didn't know the Quveas bit about:

"Broadly speaking, the "bar" is set at 50 miles or 1.5 hours! Over that then it may be deemed an unfair change."

I have a not dissimilar issue so this is very helpful to me.

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