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ArinaBH · 17/02/2023 13:55

I'm looking to broaden my understanding, find out about the positive aspects but also the pitfalls.

Happy to be guided to some reading, which gives objective information.

My DS is mid 20’s, post MA in performing arts and just starting out. I'd really like to be able to listen to him as he works through his next steps, doing this from a place of some understanding.
Thanks.

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murasaki · 17/02/2023 16:38

What is it that he is aiming to do?

I do't work in the field myself, but my DSis is a professional musician of 20 years so I've listened to her joys and woes over the last 20 years a lot....

He needs a really tight grip of admin. He will be freelance I imagine, so needs to know about IR35, invoicing, tax returns, allowable expenses, union rates if necessary etc, and keeping tight records. This is very important.

Sometimes at the start it is worth doing favours for free to get your name known. But not for too long.

Network like mad.

Set up groups yourself - yes, there is admin in this, but you get a fixers fee - she runs several groups, so doesn't always do the work but arranges and gets paid for that. Often she is in them too, but has a roster of people (still College contacts quite often, so he should hang on to his mates!). You also need good social media skills/web presence for this.

Teaching/tutoring is always a decent back up plan for income.

He will not be rich, but if he is savvy, he can do fine (and enjoy his work, which is worth its weight in gold) , but may need a diverse portfolio as said above.

This is from a musician perspective, but may still apply.

Commah · 17/02/2023 16:59

I know a number of people in this field. Without exception they do teaching and tutoring in between “proper” jobs, and when they’re older and the work dries up they end up relying exclusively on income from teaching. A lucky few can make a living without teaching but not many. They also do side jobs like playing characters at kids parties. YouTube has been profitable for some, who have made up an alter ego and positioned themselves as kid’s entertainers.

Bilingualspingual · 17/02/2023 17:01

What kind of thing does he want to do, OP?

Movinghouseatlast · 17/02/2023 17:11

It totally depends what he wants to do.

I worked in this area for 30 years, but I only know about my industry which may be different from his. It was vitally important to have something else you could do when not working. At first I taught but I hated it so ended up temping in an office in between jobs.

I wasn't talented enough to hit the big time ( hard to accept) but found a niche so I was lucky enough to work in my chosen industry but not quite at the level I wanted to be at.

In any area of performing you have to be ambitious, single minded and relentless.

murasaki · 17/02/2023 17:25

Definitely ambitious, single.minded and relentless.

I'm a bit concerned he's graduating without some sort of plan, most are already in it while doing post grads.

ArinaBH · 17/02/2023 17:35

Thank you so much for taking time to respond.
Things have moved on this afternoon as, following audition, he has been offered representation by an agency in London.

He currently works, waiting on, in indie cafes, quite flexibly, he loves that too and is a great cook.

He does have a STEM degree so knows that he could apply for a ‘funded’ teaching job as a secondary science teacher.

I suppose it is working through some sort of order. Prior to this agency he was worried about waiting and not getting anything and timing a possible teaching job - but walking away from his performing.

I was worried that the agency might be some sort of scam, signed but paying them large fees. It isn't.

He is supporting himself and he was trained we'll through his MA on having to work hard to build and maintain a profile, find an agent, etc.

It is all new to him - I'm not even sure what I should know to be able to support him☺️. Being able to ‘listen’ to you all on here, really helps. I don't know, what I don't know...so it is really difficult to ask questions!

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ArinaBH · 17/02/2023 17:37

murasaki · 17/02/2023 17:25

Definitely ambitious, single.minded and relentless.

I'm a bit concerned he's graduating without some sort of plan, most are already in it while doing post grads.

He has performed as an amateur from being a child and as part of his uni drama group ( their own shows and every year at The Edinburgh Fringe).

His MA left him with the next step of finding an agent, I think.

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Musicaltheatremum · 17/02/2023 17:43

I hope he does well. Sounds as if he has done a lot of performing. My daughter has a BA in musical theatre from Arts Ed. She did a few jobs but never got the big agents who would have got her the jobs. I'm proud of what she did but even prouder that she had the guts in 2020 to realise that she wasn't going to make it big and then doing a law degree and she has a traineeship starting in September. It's a tough world out there and I wish your son well. They all have to be pretty resilient. My daughter has friends who have been in multiple musicals all over the place. She's 30 soon. Happy and content and I'm sure she'll get some lead role in an am dram society here in Edinburgh.

Musicaltheatremum · 17/02/2023 17:45

I also think it's great he has a back up plan. I insisted my daughter did her highers and advanced highers and it has been great for her coming back into academia. She sang at my wedding last year which meant the world to me.

Legselevens · 17/02/2023 17:45

A family member is due to graduate soon. She is auditioning a lot for roles. She has been unsuccessful for a few and successful for one but not what she wanted. I would imagine you have to develop a thick skin with knock backs

LlynTegid · 17/02/2023 17:48

Hope he does well OP, though also that he realises that it is a fickle profession and many have to end up with their plan B as it were.

Arrrrrrragghhh · 17/02/2023 17:58

Just got to get lucky. A friends child is super talented. Can sing,play instruments and act. Good looking, privately educated, lots of contacts in the business ( mum and dad ) Was in the National Youth Theatre, in several west end productions and got their equity card.. ,got into RADA, just finished at LAMDA, has an agent, been on stage, a movie and adverts .

Last job was 6 months ago. Who knows when the next job will come up.
So great life so far but it’s not really anything they can control.

OhNoNotThatAgain · 17/02/2023 18:00

Is he in Spotlight? If not, then he should be, so maybe the agency will arrange that. Don't let him get sucked into paying a shedload of money for portfolio photos, by the way!

I have several family members and a number of friends in the performing arts industry but they aren't actors, so I can't help any more than that really.

murasaki · 17/02/2023 18:06

It sounds as he has various strings to his bow re being able to keep afloat, so that's great. Stem teachers, even supply, aren't demand, and an agent is good news. Best of luck to him!

Really from anecdotal evidence a lot is luck, with a side salad of getting yourself out there and working your arse off. You have to really want it. But he has back ups to cover rent etc, so he's better off than many.

murasaki · 17/02/2023 18:08

Stem teachers ARE in demand. Damn no edit function. He could register with an agency for that while looking and building his profile with the agent.

ArinaBH · 17/02/2023 18:25

We know how unlikely making a living is. He is quite grounded, a lovely young guy, proper team player.
He is lucky to have other options too. It will be timing these.

It feels very different for young people today, when I graduated I was straight into a teaching job. I've worked my way up, but still have that unbroken council contract years later. I'm pleased he has options and would support him to make choices like your daughter has @Musicaltheatremum.

He applied for his MA, to see if he was good enough for a place and to not look back with regrets.

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Musicaltheatremum · 17/02/2023 18:36

ArinaBH · 17/02/2023 18:25

We know how unlikely making a living is. He is quite grounded, a lovely young guy, proper team player.
He is lucky to have other options too. It will be timing these.

It feels very different for young people today, when I graduated I was straight into a teaching job. I've worked my way up, but still have that unbroken council contract years later. I'm pleased he has options and would support him to make choices like your daughter has @Musicaltheatremum.

He applied for his MA, to see if he was good enough for a place and to not look back with regrets.

Yes, I've been in my job for 31 years(GP) I'm glad now you can move careers. My daughter felt guilty as I'd supported her through drama school which isn't cheap and she didn't get the jobs she hoped. She did sing solo on the west end once! That was special. But she's happy and having lost her dad at the age of 18 that is all that matters and there are a lot of transferable skills from acting into law and other professions!

DustyDoorframes · 17/02/2023 20:16

There’s definitely a niche for stem-literate performers - things like science shows, being a explainer at the science museum, etc. For the times between the dream jobs…

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