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Equality question

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iklboo · 06/07/2022 11:17

I'm hoping someone 'in the know' will be able to answer this please.

We're currently working from home, expected to come into office one day a week. Other teams in the same directorate (different managers & Head of Section, same AD, Director etc) are only asked to come in 1-2 times a month. There is NO business need for us to be in office, no customer facing etc.

Two colleagues have asked to come in on similar terms. One hasMH issues, panic attacks in public etc, the other is currently on crutches longish term. They've been told (witnessed)

'No. Colleague A is in a wheelchair & they manage to get in OK. If they can there's no reason you can't'.

Is that something we could raise concerns about under The Equality Act? Some of us are in a union, but these colleagues are scared of 'rocking the boat' and of reprisals if they make a formal complaint.

TIA.

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Jalisco · 06/07/2022 13:00

Well even if the union takes it up, they will be "rocking the boat" because it will be clear who has complained to the union. The union can't just tell the employer that anonymous people don't want to return to the office or want to work in the office less. They'd be laughed out of court, because it isn't up to the union or employees to tell the employer where people generally are willing to work from. In other words, it doesn't matter whether there is a business need in your opinion or not - the employers opinion about where they want their employees is the only thing that matters. And I am not saying that to be unhelpful or unsympathetic - but the pandemic seems to have altered some peoples perception of who is in charge in the workplace. There were far too many articles flying around about how nobody was ever going back to the office, and those have set up an expectation that is entirely unrealistic.

On the specifics, the individuals would have to submit a grievance. The one of crutches – no they are not covered by the Equality Act (which “covers” significantly less than most people think it does). To be considered disabled you must have a physical or mental impairment that has a ‘substantial’ and ‘long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities and which has lasted or is expected to last a year or more. So realistically, that person can ask for some flexibility but cannot insist on it. The second individual perhaps may have some leeway if their condition fulfils the criteria, but again, they must formally ask for reasonable adjustments. And they need to be cautious – if they are saying that they can come into the office at all, then they are on shaky ground because one day a week is no more unreasonable that one day a fortnight. They can either come in or not. And if they cannot come in at all, that might bring into question their capability in the role – as I said previously, the fact that employees consider that there is not business need to go into the office doesn’t mean the employer has to agree.

And, to provide some balance, there are reasons why an employer might want people in the office that have nothing to do with whether you can do the job from home. Person to person contact, team building and the like are simply not as effective digitally. Offices have to be paid for so there is little point in having an office that is more often empty than not.

And sometimes you have to pick your battles… if these people get this, won’t everyone else want it too? Or are you trying to use this as a wedge for exactly that reason? Because unless you are confident of winning, you could provoke a worse response than you already have – there is absolutely nothing to stop the employer saying that you will all return to the office 5 days a week, and anyone who physically can’t should be signed off sick.

If they still want to take this further, then a grievance is the only way to go. Either the individuals must submit a grievance on their own behalf (with union support if they are members); or, if the actual issue is that you all want to be in the office less, it’s a collective grievance which the union can take forward – but you need to ensure that everyone is on board (including non-union members) and is ready for any fall out that might ensue.

In all honesty, speaking as a manager, I think on the face of it your manager may be being unreasonable, and I would personally be much more flexible – but they may also have good reasons why this is their policy. And I’m a manager who primarily works from home because I am disabled!

ChicCroissant · 06/07/2022 13:30

As Jalisco has said, your argument seems to be based around what the other teams are doing rather than the actual requirements of the people involved, or why it would be beneficial for them to come into the office once a fortnight instead of once a week. The crutches, in particular, seem to be a temporary measure.

iklboo · 06/07/2022 16:28

Thank you both.

On the specifics, the individuals would have to submit a grievance. The one of crutches – no they are not covered by the Equality Act (which “covers” significantly less than most people think it does). To be considered disabled you must have a physical or mental impairment that has a ‘substantial’ and ‘long-term’ negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities and which has lasted or is expected to last a year or more.

She does have a substantial, long term condition and is classed as disabled, even before she had to go onto crutches for the current flare up. Even if she has surgery she will still be disabled. It's the comment that 'Well Bob is in a wheelchair and he manages it ok' that's upset her.

I'm not trying to drive a wedge in anything. I'm just asking if it's a fair comment for managers to make.

With the other teams issue - I mean two of the teams in the exact same department who do the exact same job as ours don't have to come in as often - department is split under three managers. All our work is allocated from the same pot, so no 'If A doesn't do X, then B can't do Y. We all share the same Head of Section and Director.

Our question with this is, if Team A & Team B only need to come in once a month, why does Team C have to come in once a week? There are no meetings or Team building arranged for those days because the WHOLE team isn't in, very little person to person contact because we're spread over a load of desks. Most of the time NO managers come in on any day.

There are no performance concerns with our team - we're consistently the highest performers.

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iklboo · 06/07/2022 17:29

Sorry - forgot to add. Our manager is happy to let us work the same as the other teams, but has been told no, with no good firm reason why not.

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Jalisco · 06/07/2022 18:12

I'm sorry but that doesn't change anything I have said. In fact I suspect there is something going on here that you don't know about, and will probably never find out. No matter what you think about your teams performance etc., etc., you say your manager had been told no, when others seem to have a yes. There's more to that. And sorry, but I need to be clear... the employer does not have to have a good reason, and nor do they have to share it with you. Your workplace, every day of the week, is your office. Not your home. And the employer can revert to that whenever they want.

So you can go to the union, you can submit grievances, but be aware that losing could be worse than what you have now. I'm not telling you not to fight. Personally, as my employer will tell you, they know I'll always fight. But fighting has risks and costs - you must be prepared to accept that. If you are all willing to risk that - and possibly for everyone else, because your win could be that every team does get the same thing, but what you now have! - then that's what you must do.

As for the comment, I wouldn't say it. But even with witnesses, at best it's a slap on the wrist, and your manager(s) have ever more reason to go for your team. That, I'd let slide. Either go for the big issue or don't go at all.

But to do want to be balanced. If the two people can reliably get into work one day a fortnight, they can do it reliably one day a week too. I'm a manager too, and I can figure that out. If they can't reliably do either, that becomes a potential capability issue, and that is the road to dismissal.

It may not seem fair, but life isn't. What it isn't is unlawful. There is no legal case to give everyone the same thing. What the other team has is irrelevant in law.

iklboo · 06/07/2022 18:23

@Jalisco - no, of course. I really appreciate your advice on this one. I'd rather know where we sit than starting anything. It's just seems a bit weird that 2/3 of the team get to come in once a fortnight but the other is once a week. They haven't even given our line manager a concrete reason.

Ah well, we shall abide & see if anything changes or we get a proper, honest reason why not instead of being mushroom managed. I'm really grateful for your advice.

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Jalisco · 06/07/2022 19:11

Hmm. Just one other comment. Your manager says they haven't been given a reason. And that may be true. But it is also a convenience. And I've heard that one before. "I know nothing, it's someone else" means they don't have to explain anything. I would rarely ever believe my managers when they say that. But that's maybe only because I've met them. When my former manager attempted to make my entire team redundant, she was bloody horrified that I told them! And she actually said to one of them that she was shocked at how much they knew about work issues! I was shocked she thought a manager wouldn't tell their team how their employer worked and how the work they do fits into the bigger delivery.

seemsikeaniceday · 06/07/2022 21:27

@Jalisco has given you a good explanation.

Asking a team to come into the office one day a week is likely to be deemed reasonable. Particularly if prior to Covid you did 5 days a week. As a manager I would ask this regardless of what other managers were doing as I think it is beneficial for the business and employees.

The employees with a disability, such as your colleague who uses crutches, need to make a request for a reasonable adjustment but this needs to be evidence based as I would expect OH to be asked for their opinion. If there is a reason e.g struggle to use public transport, then I would be looking at Access to Work who may fund taxi’s.

Ultimately, what you are talking about is 16 + days working from home each month compared to 18 + days.

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