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Help with term time pay?

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familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 20:42

Hi

I wondered if anyone could help me to understand my wages please? DH and I have been trying to work it out, and think I've always been underpaid...

Wages have gone up from this month to acknowledge the increase in minimum wage.

Hours I work - 16 hours a week
weeks I work - 39
Holiday - 5.6 weeks

Up until this month, I've been getting £458 a month, every month (if no overtime) This month I've received £501.

Last year I was on £9ph (not including holiday)

This year we've been given an amount that includes holiday - £10.68.

We are not convinced the amount I've been paid this month is correct, or actually any month...

I only get a basic payslip, doesn't give hourly rate - just says basic wage is... overtime etc... No P60 either yet. Very small family run business.

I am planning to approach if there's an issue, but don't want to say anything in case I'm wrong.

Thanks in advance!

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BernardsarenotalwaysSaints · 30/04/2022 20:44

How often are you paid?

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familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 20:45

End of the month

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thebabynanny · 30/04/2022 20:46

Are you sure you get 5.6 weeks holiday? That would normally be based on working 52 weeks, not 39.

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familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 20:47

Pretty sure, but I'm off to check! Will be back

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OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:49

@familyissues12345 I assume you may work in a school for it to be TTO? NMW is now £9.50 but there have been changes to NI contributions this month.

@thebabynanny current legislation in line with the WTR’s is that the statutory 5.6 weeks of annual leave cannot be pro-rated for part-year workers (Harpur Trust case) so if OP worked 3 days a week, she would still get 5.6 weeks of leave but one week would equal 16 hours/3 days.

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:50

@familyissues12345 use listentotaxman.co.uk to see how much take home you should get x

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familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 20:51

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:49

@familyissues12345 I assume you may work in a school for it to be TTO? NMW is now £9.50 but there have been changes to NI contributions this month.

@thebabynanny current legislation in line with the WTR’s is that the statutory 5.6 weeks of annual leave cannot be pro-rated for part-year workers (Harpur Trust case) so if OP worked 3 days a week, she would still get 5.6 weeks of leave but one week would equal 16 hours/3 days.

Just checked, I should definitely get 5.6 weeks - pro rated which says means I get 5.6 weeks of 16 hours

I work in a nursery 😊

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Original poster
familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 20:52

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:50

@familyissues12345 use listentotaxman.co.uk to see how much take home you should get x

Fab thank you! I've been looking for a calculator but not managed to find anything

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Thursday37 · 30/04/2022 20:54

What is the gross pay, net pay and any deductions?

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:54

@familyissues12345 it’s not pro-rated as the 5.6 weeks of leave is statutory and every worker is entitled to it.

based on the hourly rate you stated in your original post (£10.68) they are rolling holiday pay up into your hourly rate (12.07%). It’s quite a complex area of law in light of changes in legislation. Are you part of a union?

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:55

This won’t give you the pay with your holiday I don’t think

Longdistance · 30/04/2022 20:57

This has had me in a tizz too.
I’m not NMW but I’ve had to do extra hours and it’s not really worked out in my favour.
I am at work when the kids are there plus INSETS and a day extra, making it +12 days on top of the academic days I’m there.
If anyone knows better, let me know 👿

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 20:59

@Longdistance its also possibly due to the increase in NI contributions as everyone’s net take home would be less if your hours etc haven’t changed.

Original poster
familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:00

Thursday37 · 30/04/2022 20:54

What is the gross pay, net pay and any deductions?

I don't pay any tax or NI as I don't earn enough?

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Thursday37 · 30/04/2022 21:01

familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:00

I don't pay any tax or NI as I don't earn enough?

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What about pension though?

Original poster
familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:01

In other words, my payslip is very basic. A basic wage and overtime if I do any

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Original poster
familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:01

Nope no pension

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OCM19 · 30/04/2022 21:06

Does your pay slip give a break down of holiday and hourly rate? As you don’t pay any deductions, it’s likely a change to the way they calculate holiday. Do you know how much you revived before in terms of holiday?

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familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:10

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 21:06

Does your pay slip give a break down of holiday and hourly rate? As you don’t pay any deductions, it’s likely a change to the way they calculate holiday. Do you know how much you revived before in terms of holiday?

Nothing at all. The only difference this time is a note to say that the amount has changed to acknowledge holiday payment and a rise in the NMW. There's no breakdown or anything.
I'm going to ask my manager for a breakdown, I just want to make sure that it's wrong first

We think it's the holiday that's wrong, but it seems that even taking without taking holiday into account, I haven't been paid minimum wage since I started there

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monicagellerbing · 30/04/2022 21:13

Jesus that is low. I work 16 hours NHS admin and get £720. It's disgusting what employers can get away with paying

OCM19 · 30/04/2022 21:14

Ok, but there hasn’t been any ‘changes’ to holiday this month, it’s something they should have been doing anyway. Definitely speak to your employer and seek clarification.

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familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:16

I think if I've calculated it correctly, they've been paying me £8.80 an hour but no holiday pay

624 hours worked over the year
£5496 earnings over the year

works out £8.80?

No deductions, no holiday pay. No extra wages during holidays etc - contract claims holiday pay is split over the 12 months as we have no allowance to take it during term time

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Original poster
familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:18

I wish I'd picked up on this earlier, it was only as we were trying to work out if I was now on NMW (I was on slightly more before) that when we started calculating we thought it didn't add up!

Will raise it with my boss. Thanks everyone

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zaffa · 30/04/2022 21:24

Do you get paid every month, even though you work term time only? DH worked as an LSA last year and he had a pro rata pay for the term time plus the holiday time that had to be taken during the school holiday period (so if say he worked 39 weeks term time only, his actual hours were 45 weeks to account for holiday time as well). Then they stretched it to pay him in 12 equal installments instead of just the term time months he worked. He did work full time during the weeks he worked though so it wasn't further pro ratad

zaffa · 30/04/2022 21:26

familyissues12345 · 30/04/2022 21:16

I think if I've calculated it correctly, they've been paying me £8.80 an hour but no holiday pay

624 hours worked over the year
£5496 earnings over the year

works out £8.80?

No deductions, no holiday pay. No extra wages during holidays etc - contract claims holiday pay is split over the 12 months as we have no allowance to take it during term time

I work this out as £9.52, assuming a 39 week year and 16 weeks. I would say there was no holiday pay in that calculation, as that should have added on a further £762 or thereabouts for the year.

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