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should I go for this promotion?

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Annalouisa · 29/04/2022 21:44

I need an outside perspective please:

I have been with my current company for a number of years. In that time, my boss's manager was sacked, here one day, gone the next. My boss stepped up and was asked to take on his manager's head of department role in addition to his own role as team lead until a more permanent replacement could be found for the head of department. This went on for a while. The board then decided that while they were thankful for my boss stepping up and filling the more senior role as well as his own, he wasn't up to the bigger job. The board approached me to see if I was interested in replacing my boss, in his new, expanded role. I said wasn't interested in replacing my manager - on one hand, because in the head of department role he leads a very large team, and on the other hand, because my manager is a nice person and it was unclear what would happen to him if I said yes.

As no suitable internal candidate was found, they kept my boss on while they conducted an external search. An external candidate has now started, but they have still kept my old boss on, but he's effectively been demoted and been given an administrative role with an empty title. I imagine the board hopes he'll resign of his own accord sooner rather than later.

Now the new head of department has approached me to ask if I want to take on the original team leader role my boss used to have. It's still a sizeable team, and it would still be somewhat awkward working side by side with my old boss as equals - he tells me believes his new role still puts him in charge of the team, even through the board is telling me his is not the case, and that I would not be reporting to him in any way, and that he'll be just a colleague/peer.

So: Do I take the bigger job? Reasons for not taking it include a) much more responsibility and b) the awkward situation with my demoted boss and potential confusion over who's in charge. Reasons for taking it include a) more money and b) very good future career prospects.

The board is telling me I'm being silly: I'm supposed to be 'high-potential', yet when they throw opportunities my way, I say no. I'm told this is typical female behaviour and part of the reason why there are few women in senior leadership positions. Truth is I just feel somewhat uncomfortable or undeserving of the bigger role. I know I could to the job, but still feel it's outside my comfort zone and I'd need to change the way I present myself in order to grow into this role and be perceived as a leader by both the team and the board. Also, I'd need to undo a lot of things my previous boss put in place, in order to put the team on the right track; there'd likely be a need for redundancies or needing to manage people out for performance reasons.

Should I stay in my current role or go for the promotion? I feel if I don't go for it, that might be the last time I get asked - I'd be marked as having no ambition and no appetite for a leadership position. If I don't go for it, they'll recruit someone external who I'll be reporting to and I might well end up being the one who gets made redundant in the medium term.

Do I go for the uncomfortable promotion, OR stay put and accept I'm not cut out for senior management, OR get a job at a different company and start from scratch there and hope to eventually rise to senior management there?

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Threetulips · 29/04/2022 22:09

Men typically strive to have 50% of the role they apply for woman typically fill the role with 100% of the requirements.

Put your old boss to one side, do you want to take the job? Can you make improvements, where a new person may take months to even get to a stage of understanding the issues? Can you make a difference?

I would, take the role, gain some experience and see how it goes, the option to move with experience would put you in a more employable position. .

LollyLol · 29/04/2022 22:13

Yes, go for the promotion. If you don't someone else will and then you'll feel resentful and end up leaving. Ask for a senior manager in another part of the business to be your mentor to help you deal with the difficult dynamics of managing the team with your old team leader still on the scene.

ChateauMargaux · 29/04/2022 22:34

Go for it.. your moment is now... you are good enough..

whatever else you need to hear....

Request that the lines of responsibility are clearly communicated to your team, your peers and the hierarchy above you. Stay close to the board members that have suggested you for this role. Ask for mentorship.

Annalouisa · 29/04/2022 22:45

Thank you - that's quite unanimous! I recognise the truth of what you're all saying, and that much of the complication and discomfort is mainly in my head.

If I don't go for it, I'll definitely resent whoever gets the role because I know I could have done it, and probably better. Especially so if they go for someone external who'll need months to get up to speed. Time to get outside my comfort zone and show them what I've got 💪

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ChateauMargaux · 30/04/2022 06:41

Good luck!!!

ThankyoThingies · 30/04/2022 06:54

I’m sorry to say that this sounds like a shitshow.
are they really being so patronising as to tell you that you are being ‘silly’ .
also, They seem to be expecting you to deal with your old boss vs being very clear to him what’s goingo .

I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. It sounds like some very poor management and you are ok g to get stuck in the middle.
id be looking for an new job tbh, this has disaster written all over it

sorry!

girlmom21 · 30/04/2022 07:02

I'd definitely go for it. Your old boss isn't in the role anymore and he's not getting it back.

SunshineAndFizz · 30/04/2022 07:12

You know the answer already. Go for it. To be honest I doubt your old boss will end up being at the company long anyway.

Yes it'll be a bit uncomfortable while you get used to the new role/set up, but that's why they pay you more money. If you don't grab opportunities when they come along you might not get another one. If nothing else it's good experience at a higher level and if you ever left you'd be leaving in a stronger position.

hidethetoaster · 30/04/2022 07:21

Congratulations OP! They've spotted your talent, and given you an opportunity. Hi fort out, you've got this.

The situation with old boss is a sideshow, try not to let it distract you. Be prepared and ready for when they become sullen or uncooperative or undermine you. It will happen but it's ok.

Now is the time to ask the board for what you need.
You could ask for:

  • A mentor, usually a colleague with relevant experience who can listen and guide you. Is there anyone at the company who has made success of a similar transaction? (This costs the business nothing and is a bit of a no brainier);
  • A coach, ie s professional who will meet you for (usually) an hour per fortnight or month and coach you through the transition; and/or
Some exec leadership training, does your company run a programme or would they pay for you to attend a mini MBA?

"Truth is I just feel somewhat uncomfortable or undeserving of the bigger role. I know I could to the job, but still feel it's outside my comfort zone and I'd need to change the way I present myself in order to grow into this role and be perceived as a leader by both the team and the board"

There's a naff management motto along the lines of: the comfort zone is a lovely place to be but nothing grows there.

Who will your line manager be in this new role and can you count on them to support you in making the transition into the leadership role? You should talk to them about how to set this up so that it's a success (and talk through any problems that come from former boss).

When you've nailed it, and I expect you probably will nail it subject to any bumps along the way, look back and consider what worked. Mentor junior talented colleagues and help others step up and find opportunities like the one you have been gifted.

Annalouisa · 30/04/2022 20:17

I have to admit I was very much thinking along the same lines as @ThankyoThingies. The way I'm being nudged or pushed towards this new role is quite patronising. And yes, management is a bit shit in the sense that you have to really thrive on ambiguity here - people very much create their own roles/reality and power/responsibility is assumed rather than given. My instinct told me to look for a new job, BUT others on this thread make a good point that I ought to step up here and if it doesn't work out and I then choose to move on, I'll be in a better position to get a more senior job elsewhere, rather than just making a lateral move now in the hope that I can then move upwards tat another company in a few years' time.

@hidethetoaster thanks for the very helpful advice, I'll definitely ask for a mentor and a coach -in fact the possibility of getting a coach was mentioned but I need to follow up on it! In the new role - provided I get it - I'll report to the new head of dept. That person has told me if I want to succeed him (so another step up), then this new role positions me well to succeed him in a couple of years' time, when he plans to move on.

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thecoffeewasthething · 30/04/2022 20:22

It's already been said, but I'll just state my thoughts anyway - go for the role, squeeze as much experience and learning out of it as possible, then leave in 2 years. The company culture sounds dire, don't be loyal to them. Take what you need for a step up in your career and go.

Annalouisa · 03/05/2022 19:46

An update on this - I was sent the job spec for the cool new leadership role, and the description sounded nothing like the role I was promised, and the title was slightly different, too. It did not mention key aspects like management of 20+ people and it focused on a technical side aspect of the role. I queried why the job sounds so much more junior and technical than the leadership role I was 'promised'. Guess who wrote the job spec? Yes, my old boss. So he has effectively downgraded the role because he wrote the job description that way. 😡

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Outafocus · 03/05/2022 19:58

Then it's time to move on!

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