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Any posties out there!?

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vroominary · 15/12/2021 08:01

Hi! Thinking of becoming a postie with Royal Mail and wondered if any of you lovely folks had experience of this? What's the job like? I'm imagining a gentle saunter in the great outdoors each day but I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that. Any thoughts would be great!

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SilverHairedCat · 15/12/2021 08:03

You're not serious? A gentle saunter? Have you ever watched a postie walk?!

vroominary · 15/12/2021 08:09

@SilverHairedCat

You're not serious? A gentle saunter? Have you ever watched a postie walk?!
No, I'm being a bit tongue in cheek. I know they work very hard and walk a long way. Not wanting to be at all disrespectful.
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ItsSnowJokes · 15/12/2021 08:17

I was a postie years ago (pre privatisation) and from what I understand it has got worse. Management are mainly stuck in the 70s arseholes, women are still treated like second class citizens. You will have a massive round that they like to only employ posties on a part time contract so it is almost impossible to finish your round in the time allocated. They did pay overtime for any hours over worked, but if you just want a part time job (like I did) it was always impossible to finish. As you will be new you will end up with the crap rounds and also put on a different round regularly so you could never get quicker as you had to learn the rounds constantly.

Saying all that it was the only place where you used to get paid breaks (I don't know if this still happens) and people used to make sure you took them as they wanted to keep it like it was. The union is a very proactive (some would say militant) union and they would have your back all of the time, especially for newbies who management would try and take the piss out of. Learn what you are entitled to and what you get paid for and stick to it. Oh and of a strike happens do not break the picket line or you will be labelled a scab for the rest of your days working there.

vroominary · 15/12/2021 08:29

@ItsSnowJokes

I was a postie years ago (pre privatisation) and from what I understand it has got worse. Management are mainly stuck in the 70s arseholes, women are still treated like second class citizens. You will have a massive round that they like to only employ posties on a part time contract so it is almost impossible to finish your round in the time allocated. They did pay overtime for any hours over worked, but if you just want a part time job (like I did) it was always impossible to finish. As you will be new you will end up with the crap rounds and also put on a different round regularly so you could never get quicker as you had to learn the rounds constantly.

Saying all that it was the only place where you used to get paid breaks (I don't know if this still happens) and people used to make sure you took them as they wanted to keep it like it was. The union is a very proactive (some would say militant) union and they would have your back all of the time, especially for newbies who management would try and take the piss out of. Learn what you are entitled to and what you get paid for and stick to it. Oh and of a strike happens do not break the picket line or you will be labelled a scab for the rest of your days working there.

Wow, it really does sound like it's stuck in a previous generation. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply so thoroughly. What makes a crap round? Hills? Dangerous dogs?
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JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 15/12/2021 08:35

Walks are now based on a speed of 4mph. So you have to walk bloody fast.

DH has been out ten years now but still has nightmares about the time he was still out after dark in December.

altforvarmt · 15/12/2021 09:05

I delivered mail for a couple of summers, so I fully appreciate that I didn't experience the job like a permanent employee. That said, it was the best job I ever had. I either did holiday cover, so wasn't as quick or efficient as the regular staff, or I got the vacant least-popular walks.

The worst was the walk that was near a sewage works that had a long street of detached houses where each individual driveway was on a hill, but the front doors were above the garage so I also had to go up a flight of stairs to reach the letterbox.

Doing walks on the flat in a neat little cul de sac was a dream in comparison. So yes, hills, and the walks with massive amounts of mail were challenging.

Also, the ones with massively overgrown hedges either side of the path to the letterbox. I learned to use the mail in my hand to "swoosh" the gap in front of me, after too many experiences of walking through huge spiderwebs and finding the spider on my chest. And I always had to wear my jacket for those houses, because even on nice days I'd get soaked from all the early-morning dew from the hedges. Lots of people used their back doors because they parked out the back, and presumably had no idea how unpleasant it was to get to their letterbox.

Dogs were a challenge. You very quickly learn which houses have dogs sitting at the letterbox, who whip the post away as soon as you've pushed it half an inch inside the letterbox. Never ever put your fingers in a letterbox. Roll the mail if you have to, to be able to push it through without using your fingers to assist.

vroominary · 15/12/2021 09:27

@altforvarmt

Thanks for your thoughts and sounds like some good tips there Smile do you think if you had done it longer term you might have started to feel bored? How heavy were the bags? Any back ache or anything like that?

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altforvarmt · 15/12/2021 10:40

No, I don't think I'd ever have got bored, but I am quite happy spending hours just thinking and daydreaming. I'd be happy getting intellectual stimulation outside of working hours and studying and/or reading in my spare time.

When I did it the first time, I was a couple of stone overweight and unfit. I got fit really quickly and the weight dropped off. It was the only time in my life I craved potatoes. I just ate cold boiled potatoes all the time!

I didn't get backache but you do have to be very careful when lifting.

I delivered mail in an area where the posties had bikes. That meant being able to lift a 16kg pouch onto the bike. On some walks, I could park the bike, grab two bundles of mail, then walk up and down the street or round the cul de sac back to the bike. On others, I had to set off carrying the 16kg pouch, but the weight lessens as you deliver the mail. When you do have to carry a heavy pouch, you curse the doors with letterboxes that are a few inches from the bottom of the door.

There were a lot of female posties there, but where I live now the posties are just on foot (no bikes), and that means much more carrying. I've noticed there are far fewer female posties here.

FSVin · 15/12/2021 11:54

I was a postie for about 18 months, quite recently. I had mixed feelings about it. A few things (actually, on preview, quite a lot of things):

Every postie who has been there any length of time will tell you it's very different than it used to be. Different = worse. They used to have their own rounds, and work independently - now it's done with two posties sharing a van to cover an area, which means having to compromise on pace and working habits, because usually one will be faster than the other. That was a downgrade, and none of those who had worked there before liked the change (but felt stuck, because they'd been a postie for 20 years, so where else were they going to go?) The rounds are also a lot longer than they used to be - often 600-700 doors in urban areas, and the pace of work is generally very high. The majority of posties seem to want to get done asap (even the part timers, whose interest it is in to work slower..!), but then there are some who prefer to work like it's 1950 and take their time, who annoyed management and often their faster round partner.

The longer term posties are on full time contracts, so the pay is decent. But in recent years all new hires have been on part time contracts (usually around 25 hours), though you're expected to work as many hours as needed to get through that day's mail. What that looks like is, in summer, when the mail load is light, you only work (and get paid for) 25 hours. Same with holiday pay. In winter it's more like 33 hours, with the heavier mail load. It's something that works purely in the company's favour, and sort of sums up their attitude to staffing now. Even 33 hours pay isn't loads. I think I averaged about 15k a year, while working very hard for it.

Summer was great - light bags, quick rounds, easy days, and time in the sunshine. Winters were hard going, and a different job - very heavy bags, crap weather, long, hard days. It did at least cure my SAD, being outside for every hour of sunlight.

How much I enjoyed the job was also dependent on which round I was working. I was based in a poor, inner city area, and all the nicer rounds further out were given to people who had worked there donkeys' years, They are allocated on seniority, so you had no hope of ending up with one unless you worked there 15+ years. Being given any kind of permanent round meant being there years - newer joiners were shuffled around wherever they were needed that day or week. Enjoyment was also dependent on who I was working with. There were some seriously grumpy bastards there who were no fun to be stuck in a van with. I've worked in a number of environments and there were a lot more angry, dissatisfied people at RM than elsewhere, and that isn't great to be around every day. It wears on you. I think our depot was particularly bad for that, but it was my impression that it's a component of the company as a whole nowadays.

I figured the main problem is that senior management do not give a hoot about RM's employees (including middle management), so every single decision is based on money, to the extent that actual sensible working practices have been scrapped to everybody's detriment (staff and customers). E.g, they used to have a small surplus of staff to cover unforeseen absences across the local region and ensure good coverage - they've been scrapped to save money. That means anytime someone takes sick leave, everyone else's workload goes up to cover it and staff get shuffled last minute in a bit of chaos, and that makes everybody grumpy because they're already working their butts off. Worse, chronic understaffing seemed to be an actual policy, so that it was nigh impossible to be granted any annual leave given that there was no one to cover it. That, of course, leads to lots of staff sickness. I can't remember the actual rate of staff absence but it was ridiculously high. That created more stress for everyone else, which created more absences, and so it went; everything was a mess. Middle management seemed to spend their lives running around like headless chickens putting out fires and being crapped on from above, and trying to calm down posties who were fed up of being messed about and had no qualms in expressing that in strong language. No fun. Proper staff coverage would have solved a lot of problems.

The union seemed to have become pretty irrelevant, too. I didn't see them actually do anything, and they've let the T&Cs become really poor by this stage, so presumably don't wield much real power.

I liked it in summer, because I was working five hour days and getting a tan for it, albeit for very little money. I liked it when I was on a scenic round, and imagine it would be a very different job somewhere rural than it is at an inner city depot at the "bad" end of town. I liked being fit, and feeling like I'd genuinely earned my money each day - there was a nice satisfaction to that. Hated the dogs. Was annoyed by people who didn't understand how hard we were working and yelled at us for not knocking (I always knocked, but nobody believes you). Felt depressed in some streets, stepping over broken glass and dog crap. Couldn't abide the company culture. I ended up very stressed being there, probably because I didn't have a thick enough skin to withstand all the crap bits, but I wouldn't have wanted to stay in that kind of work environment any longer than I did even if I could withstand it.

I did end up a lot fitter than I started out, though. And with very sexy legs.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 15/12/2021 17:36

Also getting holiday was a nightmare, that was why DH finally quit.

He was bitten by a dog at least once, and clawed by a cat through a letter box. He has struggled with his back, neck and one arm/shoulder. He didn't get a bike, trolley or van. He had to use his own car and pay for parking for the privilege. He was regularly swapped to different rounds, never having a regular round or rota, he was even sent to different sections and depots at times.

vroominary · 16/12/2021 07:19

@FSVin thank you for taking the time to give me such a good overview. It really sounds such a shame that it's gone so downhill and it certainly doesn't sound like a good place to work. I'm disappointed because I'm really struggling with my mental health and wanted somewhere steadier to work where I'd spend good portions of it on my own, but it certainly doesn't sound like RM fits the bill these days.

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FSVin · 16/12/2021 09:57

@vroominary I'm sorry you didn't get the answers you were hoping for! I'm glad I tried it, and at least got some more insight into what makes me happiest at work. Good working conditions with staff treated well ranks pretty darn highly, turns out.

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