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CtrlU · 10/12/2021 15:40

Thanks for reading

I’m a single mum and have worked since I was 15 and have had a full time career since then whilst raising my two children.

I am now thinking of changing career and I have thought about possibly going into Law. I initially want to become a law secretary first to test the waters and I suppose see if I like it and how it works out.

I’m curious to know if any of you mums are within the law industry- do you enjoy it and would you say it was good career choice for you or would you advise against it?

T.I.A x

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CtrlU · 10/12/2021 15:41

Forgot to mention my children are in school full time and I currently have a childminder who cares for them whilst I do my current job.

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SingingSands · 10/12/2021 15:44

I'm a legal PA. I started out as a temp, it was a good way to get the feel of an office/company and gain experience. I did a 6 month maternity cover and was offered a permanent contract at the end. That was 19 years ago!

Do you have good IT skills? Can you prioritise a fast-moving workload? Are you a quick learner of systems? Can you communicate with internal and external stakeholders? How are you under pressure?

It's a good job, can be well paid and there are great perks. I've been very lucky with my firm. Although some people might scoff at me staying for 19 years my job role and the firm have continually progressed so it's not stagnant at all.

Thurlow · 10/12/2021 15:45

The role of legal secretary is starting to disappear - instead of a secretary who works for a few people, a lot of firms are moving towards specialised roles such as client facing, billing etc. It's worth looking what an advertised role entails.

Legal executive, paralegal and legal tech roles might be easier to get into at first?

CtrlU · 10/12/2021 15:58

@SingingSands Thank you for responding so promptly.

I have moderate IT skills, good at organising and I learn very quickly. I have no experience with stakeholders so that may be tricky and I work relatively well under pressure so I feel reassured maybe I can do this.

My current job is something completely unrelated to even working in an office (think more creative than administrative) so whilst I haven’t hit much experience in a lot of the tasks I may be responsible for - I learn fast, can use my initiative and once I know what needs to be done; and how they want it to be done - I put in 110% to ensure I can deliver and know it’s done to the best of my ability.

I have heard of the perks and after working within an industry where I feel I keel going above and beyond - I’m just not seeing the benefits/ not reaping the rewards of my hard work and so that’s what’s made me decide I’d rather channel that same energy into a career that actually offers some sort of reward and satisfaction (if you get what I mean). I always get told aswell that as great I am at my current job; I should be doing something more ‘skilled’ if you like as I have the abilities and the knowledge to be doing something better than I am doing now and I have such a strong work ethic that I should try something else.
Something that will actually benefit me and my children as the job I’m doing currently is pretty stagnant and I will always be working to earn just enough to pay basic bills and nothing else. (I haven’t taken my children on holiday yet as can just never afford it although I work full time, can never imagine buying my own home as again not enough money coming in nor never earning enough to save consistently/ No pension/ No real career progression)

I have seen some online courses which are law based so would I suppose help me get basic skills to possibly get into the law industry so I think I will try and get into completing some so I can see where this could lead me.

Thank you again. I really appreciate it.

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CtrlU · 10/12/2021 16:01

@Thurlow

Thank you for that information. I will definitely look into that.

I don’t mind honestly what I’m doing but I would like to try the law industry as I have always had an interest in it and I figured Secratary was maybe the best place to start.

I will enquire about courses for the specialised job’s you have mentioned though as I think k I would equally be good at that. And in the long term I want a specialist role so I will definitely check this out.

Thank you

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SingingSands · 10/12/2021 17:51

@CtrlU
Just come back to this and see you've mentioned you're currently in a creative role. This could be something you can carry into a law firm. For example, my firm currently has a vacancy for an artworker in the Design Team. There are so many roles that fall outside of the "obvious".

CtrlU · 10/12/2021 18:03

@SingingSands

Thank you so much for that info. I’m within the art field actually so something like would be great for me. I had no idea my current skills could be useful within the law industry. I’m going to do some courses and apply now.

Again thank you for the help. Much appreciated Smile

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Ninananna · 10/12/2021 18:36

Legal P. A. for over 20 years. It can be well paid but it is an extremely busy, stressful job. You will have deadlines to keep, anxious clients to manage and a very heavy workload. Lots of admin involved such as Money Laundering Regs and monthly invoicing as well as prepping documents and correspondence and a full inbox. You need excellent I.T. skills, spreadsheets etc., and good communication skills. These days you will need to specialise in an area of law such as conveyancing, private client, corporate, employment etc. Firms these days would look for a law degree or at least experience in a specific area of the law. It is a job you can do and it gets under your skin or you will swiftly move on.

CtrlU · 10/12/2021 19:00

@Ninananna

Thank you kindly for your input. I will also bare this in mind.

I’m currently quite stressed as it is in my job but mostly because it’s not consistent enough so I find I’m always worrying about what’s next and if there will be anymore work available once I have finished my current project so to speak - so although different stresses; I feel I wouldn’t mind being equally as stressed but earning a decent income and having more time with my children (some projects I do include working overnight/ working full weekends) - or at least being able to go away for a break/ holiday every now and then to clear my mind and take the weight off my shoulders. I think also knowing that in the end it will all pay off when I am ready to retire or ready to buy my home. Right now I can’t even imagine it as currently that is completely out of the question. So again - another worry of mine.

Lockdown happened and as I’m self employed currently (although have been employed before, and decided to go self employed as it is slightly more money and slightly more control than employed) but again this is another worry that’s on my mind that I have no back up/ no security and no real life skills to add to my resume to protect myself and my children’s future should something else happen again to affect our income/ future.

Thank you again and again I will bare this in mind Smile

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Thurlow · 10/12/2021 20:14

[quote SingingSands]@CtrlU
Just come back to this and see you've mentioned you're currently in a creative role. This could be something you can carry into a law firm. For example, my firm currently has a vacancy for an artworker in the Design Team. There are so many roles that fall outside of the "obvious".[/quote]
Yes, we have a digital marketing team so that could be right up your street?

sopsmum · 10/12/2021 20:32

I'm a lawyer in a well known firm. None of the secretaries in my dept have a law degree. I do agree that the traditional legal sec role is dying though and many firms are outsourcing word processing overseas. As a lawyer to be honest it's annoying as we are expected to do more and more ourselves as the case management systems become more sophisticated.

Op are you in London or in the regions.

There are apprentice roles now that actually lead to qualification as a solicitor but you could also think about ilex or becoming a company secretary for example. In smaller firms secretaries do a lot of the conveyancing for example so I would have a think about where you want to end up.

Law firms have all sorts of people employed though, often big marketing departments, HR depts, IT depts, finance, business development, even filming technicians for all of the legal updates.

There are lots of agencies out there which do temp legal sec work and that might give you a bit of an insight.

Bigger law firms have more benefits. Smaller firms can be a bit hit and miss and often only provide the legal minimum.

CtrlU · 10/12/2021 20:43

@sopsmum

Thank you for your input Smile

I’m based in London and whilst I have thought of an apprenticeship - from what I know of them; it’s usually double the work and half the pay than a standard employee. I think that may not suit me. Maybe if I was younger but I don’t think I have the patience for it now honestly.

I will definitely look at specialising in something within law so I have more options and less chance of my job becoming obsolete.

It’s also helpful that you mentioned temping as I thought that may be the beat way to go as I can see if I enjoy it enough to want to go permanent and I suppose re-train.

Thank you Smile

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DixonD · 10/12/2021 22:44

I’ve been a legal secretary/assistant for nearly 20 years (same firm).

We often take on new secretaries who have little experience. As long as you can use a PC, you’re in with a chance where I work.

I work in probate law, but have also done conveyancing. It makes a difference if you enjoy the area of law you work in. Some secretaries will work over different areas but in my firm you work in one area.

cloudtree · 10/12/2021 23:05

Much depends on whether you want to be a level secretary or a lawyer. I can’t really tell from your posts. Certainly if you want to be a legal secretary, the perks you refer to are non existent.

If you want to be a lawyer it takes years and you need excellent academics (and to never again say that you give 110%)

cloudtree · 11/12/2021 08:06

I have heard of the perks and after working within an industry where I feel I keel going above and beyond - I’m just not seeing the benefits/ not reaping the rewards of my hard work and so that’s what’s made me decide I’d rather channel that same energy into a career that actually offers some sort of reward and satisfaction (if you get what I mean).

This is what bothers me about your post. As others have said, the role of a legal secretary is dying out since we (solicitors) do our own typing now, filing is electronic and many of us work largely from home. I think you’re saying you want to start out as a legal secretary and then become a lawyer. Legal secretary is not a role with “perks” although it often pays more than a non legal secretary. That’s generally because they have very fast typing speeds, great attention to detail, good knowledge of legal terminology and the processes/ way things are done and impeccable IT skills in general. Basically they’re at the top of their game in being a secretary or PA.

If you want to be a lawyer then Im afraid the harsh reality is that your chances are very low and you could spend a lot of money “training” and get nowhere. It’s incredibly competitive and that will only get worse since senior lawyers often work for much longer now and so we don’t need as many coming in at the bottom (plus we are struggling to train new lawyers with so much remote working). Almost every person who gets accepted will have impeccable gcse and A Level results and at least a very strong 2.1 degree (many will have a first). You also need very well developed soft skills - excellent writing skills, good communication skills, a way with people, an ability to sell, high confidence levels, excellent public speaking skills, an eye for detail etc. To do well you will also need to present yourself in a certain way. People need to have confidence in you. You could have the fastest legal mind out there but clients won’t instruct you if they don’t have confidence in your ability to do the job and that often comes from a brief first impression.

Then you need to be prepared for the often horrendous work life balance which can come with being a junior lawyer. It simply isn’t compatible with being a single parent to school age children imo (although clearly there will be those who have managed it). After 1-2 years of law school you’d probably have a year of paralegal work and then two years of training before you qualify so that’s five years before you qualify (if you already have a degree). You’re then considered a “junior” lawyer for about another 5-7. Even once you’re very senior, the work life balance is horrible. I’m 22 years pqe and mine is ok ish now most of the time since I’m the boss boss in a small firm so I have a lot of control over what I do (this means I still work 50+ hour weeks but have more flexibility as to when I do the work and what I choose to take on). DH is a senior equity partner in a big firm and works 14 hours most days. It’s not a fun existence. We are permanently exhausted.

You don’t say how old you are or what your academic record is like but reading between the lines it sounds like you might find that the path is long and slow and tricky to navigate. Hand on heart I’d tell you every time to focus the time on your kids whilst they’re young since that’s (imo) far more important. If I could go back in time and work less, I would. My DC are teens and whilst they understand about work, they do feel they missed out on our time - and they’re right.

I know I’ll now get criticised for seeking to dissuade a single mother from bettering her situation but it does nobody any good to pursue unrealistic aims in the misguided hope that great fortunes will follow.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 11/12/2021 10:09

I work in a large national firm, and legal secretaries are a dying breed. We virtually never recruit new ones, they never leave voluntarily as there are no jobs to go to, so we have had redundancies because as technology changes the need for secretaries reduces.

I have worked at firms that have no legal secretaries at all.

The money used to be good but that is unsustainable, it is cheaper for firms to employ paralegals and have them do their own typing/filing/billing.

There are decent roles in law firms, in finance, billing, HR, it, marketing, etc. Some departments will also have admin clerks, and similar roles.

If you are interested start looking at some job adverts and get applying but don't waste money on courses. If your long term aim is to be a lawyer look at legal apprenticeships, they often start in admin/support roles before progressing into fee earning and although the money isn't brilliant it isn't like old style apprenticeships. The CILEX route is also worth a look. There are some good opportunities to qualify without the huge financial outlay required by traditional routes into law.

However be aware that law has a reputation for great salaries but it is a bit misleading. A few London and US firms massively inflate the figures. Many lawyers in smaller provincial firms will be earning much much less. I have worked with people who have changed career and been disappointed to be earning less for more stress than they were nursing or teaching.

Mammyloveswine · 11/12/2021 10:20

I was a legal secretary specialising in conveyancing (this was 14 years ago!).

I loved it! Really enjoyed it and if the housing market hasn't crashed in 2008 I'd have done my legal executive training!

As it happens I'm now a primary school teacher!

sopsmum · 11/12/2021 18:22

Cloudtree is spot on. I would never encourage my children to be a lawyer. There are plenty of other ways to earn the same money and only very few get to the megabucks. The price is high, more so for mother's. For a long time I thought I was going to and that keeps you on the hamster wheel. I have a lot of children though (more than 3) and some health issues so the job I am doing now pays the same as I was earning 15 years ago which although good is not great.

Tanfastic · 17/12/2021 22:49

Op, I was a legal Secretary/pa for nearly thirty years. I found it interesting (I worked for a family lawyer) but I also found it quite stressful and extremely poorly paid. I think if you are in a city you'd get paid more but in my area (North West) most legal secretaries in my town don't get much more than the minimum wage. It's disgraceful to be honest. Which is one of the reasons I eventually decided to get out and try something different. I never wanted to progress to be a lawyer as most of the lawyers I worked alongside seemed to work all the hours god sent and unless you were a director or partner not that well paid for the hours they put in.

However, give it a go, you might like it 😂🤞

milly74 · 28/12/2021 20:59

Agree as above the legal secretary role is vanishing. My role at my firm disappeared in September 2020 however was successful in applying for a different role with my employer (alternative was redundancy).

CovidisaThiefofJoyandcandoone · 29/12/2021 15:38

We have one PA who works for the CEO amongst 80 lawyers.

But any good recruitment consultant will be able to guide you.

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