My boss wants to work past retirement age

[plumpylumpydumpy]

Her financial situation is not great, so she's doing it out of need rather than want and I've already had to have a talk with her about her behaviour.
I feel it comes from resentment but obviously don't really know.
She's flaky and forgetful and we work with volunteers and I feel she puts them off with her abrasive personality.
There's been some health and safety issues arising from her forgetfulness and impulsive behaviour.
Obviously, no volunteer has to put up with it for absolutely no pay and I feel everyone should be having a good time.
I need to talk to our senior manager and ask what protection they will put in place if she becomes not up to the job. We've already spoken about a few issues and she didn't seem surprised with what I said but it was finally resolved with me having a really firm word with my manager and saying I won't be putting up with her over critical attitude towards me or anyone else working for us. She constantly nit picks but there's nothing wrong with anything anyone does. It just seems to be to try and give the impression that the place can't run without her.
I feel I need to say that someone needs to keep an eye on the situation but also feel it's an occupational health type thing rather than me having to negotiate with her because she possibly can't cope and it MIGHT be age related.
It's really annoying for me as after many, many years of working in a completely different industry, I feel I've found my true calling but these issues are spoiling it somewhat.
Am I within my rights to ask the company to take responsibility for the situation and consider the issues of her continuing to work? I feel a bit horrible about it.

Her financial situation is not great, so she's doing it out of need rather than want and this is absolutely none of your business.

I really hope this charity doesn't work with older people.

Except in very particular situations it is now age discrimination to specify a retirement age and even in some situations to raise the issue. You need to be very careful OP that you do not face disciplinary action or find yourself the subject of a grievance.

You need also to be aware that you come across appallingly. It looks like you want her role. I’ve seen your previous threads and you come across the same way there. Take a look inwards rather than outwards.

That is age discrimination the company can't 'make' someone retire. They can manage their out on performance but they can't make her retire

To reiterate, I have no interest in her role.
I don't want them to make her retire. I want them to keep an eye on the situation regarding everything that has been going on.

regarding everything that has been going on.

Are you able to be more specific?
What as the H & S issues you mentioned?

@plumpylumpydumpy

To reiterate, I have no interest in her role. I don't want them to make her retire. I want them to keep an eye on the situation regarding everything that has been going on.

So why are you making this about her age? You have issues with her performance and behaviour… absolutely fine. Go through the appropriate channels to deal with it. Regardless of her age.

It's not about her age it's her behaviour, report it via HR.

@NeedsCharging things being left on or unlocked.
There's another thing but it's too specific but it was the thing I did firmly raise due to safety of others.
I photograph the door when I lock it as it was reported to our head office (it's covered by the local cctv belonging to the local shopping centre) on a number of occasions that it was left unlocked and swinging in the wind.
Head office was told by my boss that 'she really needed to have a word with me about it' as if it was me.
It's never been me.
They do know that though.

Well surely if there is CCTV they can see who locked up?
None of those things you listed are age related.

You work in a charity shop I am not sure how unsafe those places are unless she had a electric fire turned on with clothes/fire hazard stuff laying around.

You are right to raise concerns about her management style/ H & S issues but you need to leave her age put of it.

@qualitygirl

Is it in her contract that she has to retire at a certain age...in my workplace we can only stay until 65.

But I agree with pp it's got nothing to do with you @plumpylumpydumpy

Are you in the U.K.?

@NeedsCharging that is exactly the sort of thing that is happening.
Sometimes I walk in (possibly through an unlocked door) and I can feel heat coming from an appliance which obviously I immediately switch off.
When I raised some of these issues before she just shouted me down until I left it.
I just hoped she would take on board what I said despite getting so het up about me saying it.

Yes, in the uk.

OP you come across as extremely ageist and insubordinate towards your manager. Who the fuck are you to be having “a firm word” with your boss?

You stated that you feel “everyone should be having a good time” and that you’ve had “a really firm word with my manager and saying I won't be putting up with her over critical attitude towards me or anyone else working for us.”

I mean WTAF? You told your manager that you won’t put up with her managing (providing constructive criticism) to you or any of the other volunteers that work under her?

I think you think that volunteering = not a real job, just show up and have a good time. So you are essentially creating a mutiny against your boss for doing her job- pointing out what is wrong and telling you to fix it.

And youre wrapping it up in blatant ageism:
“working past retirement age” and “she possibly can’t cope and it might be age related” and “ask the company to take responsibility for the situation and consider the issues of her continuing to work”

Anything you say about her forgetfulness or impulsiveness is suspect as you’ve shown yourself to be ageist. I see that the same way as anyone whose shown themself to be racist but saying “oh it’s not that, they’re flakey, they wah wah” Nope, can’t trust a word you say because you’re bigoted against this women because of her age.

Sometimes I walk in (possibly through an unlocked door) and I can feel heat coming from an appliance which obviously I immediately switch off.

Then it needs removing if it is a H & S risk!

Senior management are just as responsible if they are aware of the heater and the risk but have not demanded its removal.

Are you saying she's forgetting to do these things due to her age or deliberately not doing them?

You feel horrible about it because you are being horrible. And very ageist.

You want her job. Is that the reality? And you're using the stuff you don't like to justify pushing her out?

Absolutely raise the H&S issues. Keep raising them. Take photos if that helps. But absolutely do NOT make this about her age.

FWIW there’s are still certain jobs, even in the UK, where because of interaction with other laws, rules (both national and in some cases international) companies have been allowed to retain a mandatory retirement age..

www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/work-learning/retirement/retirement-age/

Yikes, had to reread to check whether you were the manager or not, who do you think you are? .

Your post smacks of ageism OP. Dress it up as you like but have a read of your opening post and tell me this has nothing to do with you manager's age.

The OPs last thread was the same. OP you give the impression that you regard yourself as something very special.

If there are serious health and safety concerns then you document it, speak to hr or a senior manager about it and let them deal with it. If doors are swinging open then they need an automatic locking system, if appliances are keft on then they need to be removed. Do you have any actual proof that she is responsible. Showing concern for her welfare might be a kinder way to seal with your resentment.

I may out myself here but you sound like someone I used to work with a few years ago.

Also charity sector and although I wasn't the manager I did manage the public area and 2/3 volunteers on a daily basis. I had been in the role for 5 years.
I was due to have an operation so would be off work for 3 months so 2 months before my last day my company hired a temp who I could train up to cover me.
The temp was lovely at first but after a while she constantly made negative comments about my work/management style to the volunteers. She also complained to the manager that I was doing certain task wrong/not efficiently and that I couldn'tmanage due to my ill health (I was not ill but needed the operation to improve my mobility).

I was not adverse to change or constructive criticism but the temp basically admitted to the volunteers she could do the job better than me and things would change once I went off.
She lasted 3 weeks.
The volunteers disliked her constantly bitching about me.
The changes she made were a disaster and 1 cost the charity over £3000. She was a nightmare.

While you may think you are just being a good staff member try to keep your concerns to actual issues not just because you don't like the woman or think she is too old.

@Marmight under Irish law it is still permitted.