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What's it like working in the recruitment industry?

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Needanewadventure2021 · 10/08/2021 13:09

Hiya

Albeit on the support side, acting as the first point of contact, but what is it like working in the industry?

I've heard some things about the culture and partying lifestyle that if I am honest puts me off as I just want to do a good job, earn a decent wage and then spend my time with my son. However the opportunity is great. I just dont want to jump into something where you are expected to be involved in the social partying side as it doesn't interest me

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Needanewadventure2021 · 10/08/2021 20:58

Thanks @TeachesOfPeaches is this your background and was it hard to get going?

Thank you for telling my your circumstances. I feel so bound being a single parent so it's nice to hear you were doing well. Congratulations.

What sort of questions do i need to be asking at the interview? I am a mix of shit scared and excited for something new. I'm mostly scared about moving from a safe job to somewhere where I don't fit in with the culture. However if it works out it could be amazing for me and my boy. We have no life at the moment. Live hand to mouth. To be able to take him out or even on a holiday (which I know is normal for alot of people) would feel amazing. I dont want us to struggle

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Needanewadventure2021 · 10/08/2021 20:59

I'm really glad there are positives

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Pebbledashery · 10/08/2021 21:00

I did the role you described for 12 years.. My last job almost sent me into a nervous breakdown. Horrible industry, horrible people. I now work for the NHS and I absolutely love it..
I would only work in recruitment if you are driven and motivated by money and have no soul.

Buttons294749 · 10/08/2021 21:02

I did it for a very short time (selling side) in London for a small financial services recruitment company. I didn't like it, I was actually quite good but it's kind of boring and all the cold calling etc wasn't for me

Needanewadventure2021 · 10/08/2021 21:04

Oh no Sad

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Needanewadventure2021 · 10/08/2021 21:04

@Pebbledashery why so bad?

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Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 08:38

I've woke up today in two minds. I get the feeling it isn't a longterm career move?

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LincolnshireLassInLondon · 11/08/2021 08:56

Hi OP, I worked for 5 years for one of the big recruitment companies. One of the high street ones you will have heard of.

For the first two years I was a recruiter and it was as you fear... drinking, parties, showing off and people generally being encouraged to spend spend spend to keep them selling. I hated it and I hated who it made me. Turnover was huge. I only stuck it out because I was young and I didn't know this wasn't normal.

I then got a job on the support side as Executive Assistant to one of directors. It was a totally different vibe. Far less socialising and more amenable to life outside of work. I didn't have DC at the time but it allowed me time and space to do hobbies and volunteering. I loved that job and learned loads and I never went for after work drinks (apart from maybe Christmas do). Totally different experience.

I do something different now, but I would potentially go back to recruitment in a support role and I have DC now.

Could you have an honest conversation with the person who would be your line manager about this? They will be as invested as you are in finding someone who will be happy in the culture there and they might appreciate some straight talking honesty. It's a very straight taking (sometimes brutally so) industry!

Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 09:15

Can I ask what sort of questions should I be asking?

I dont get that the vibe there it's a party scene, however I have a friend who lasted a few weeks in a different company a few years ago as she hated the culture. Not the job the culture. It was IT recruitment. Her stories of drug deliveries to the office, having cocaine forced in your face, constant drinking and being berated for not having the best brands etc, actually made me feel uncomfortable about even considering it.
That lifestyle just isn't for me not even when I was younger.

It is interesting to know though the other side or recruitment. I am scared. Scared of the unknown and taking a risk into something I won't fit in to

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Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 11:28

I've found alot of reviews on them and they are mostly 5 star and some 4 star. So it's made me feel more positive about the interview

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Pebbledashery · 11/08/2021 12:46

I worked as an executive assistant to several directors and a CEO in my tenure in recruitment. Severely overworked and underpaid. Some recruitment agencies are very draconian and still use paper as opposed to CRM systems. It's very money oriented, very cutthroat and not an industry I'd ever ever go back to.. Some of the worst people I know work in recruitment/executive search. Soulless.
But, that's just my experience.
The part I enjoyed.. Was helping candidates, I worked in high level executive search most of my time and i liked the interaction with the candidates, all walks of life. The clients. The partners, the fee earners, they are all money grabbing. The worst person I ever worked for was my last CEO, she was a complete and utter narcissist. I cannot express to you the relief I felt when I handed in my notice.
I was very, very fortunate to then find the most amazing role in the NHS, I absolutely adore my job and my colleagues now. The person I am now executive assistant to is just the most wonderful and inspiring person and every day they say thank you to me.. You could not PAY me to go back to recruitment now.
Anyway, if you're dead set to go for it, perhaps ask what kind of systems you will be using, what type of training do they offer. What does a typical day look like. Who will your immediate colleagues be etc etc.
Good luck. My experience is my experience, you will never know until you try what it's like for you.

Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 13:46

I'm going to go for the interview. It's with someone I have known for 17 years. But I think I will be honest about my worries. Even though I know the line manager I understand it is still a very money driven industry. I was truly gobsmacked when I heard value of fees agreed for placing candidates. Honestly I was shocked!

It probably doesn't make sense but I think I am so used to us struggling financially that sometimes it is safer to keep us that way as I know we get by. Going from an easy job of 6 years back into a massive industry is frightening. Its the lack of security I fear. But I know I want more for our life and I won't get it staying where I am.

The stories here are quite mixed. Good, but also similar to the experience I fear.

I do know staff turnover is very low and its very exec level. Its a new role being introduced and if it takes off the plan is then to manage a team.

Thanks for all your experiences. I'm finding it really valuable.

I'm in my mid 30s and I find it hard making spontaneous decisions now. I am a single parent, i have very little support and no one to fall back on at home so decisions like this scare me because it's all on me. I often take the safe option as I know I can just about keep us ticking over.

Hats off to Mom's that do manage to have a career after kids. It's my dream but I am finding it hard knowing where I fit. Business development is a good shout as I have done it before and was successful but I do feel out of my depth abit after a long time out of it

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StTheresa · 11/08/2021 14:55

I worked in recruitment for a while and I’m another who had an awful experience, OP.

I was in IT recruitment for a very well known agency. I was young, new to a big city. In fairness, I worked with some lovely people but expected hours were very long and the stress of constantly having to meet targets was horrific. In my agency, you were given a target for EVERYTHING- number of calls made a day, number of new clients you’d met face-to-face that week, number of interviews arranged etc. There was a decent level of integrity in the team I worked in, but there was zero flexibility and, if you missed your fee target three months in a row, you were pretty much out the door.

Our team was probably one of the quieter ones, socially, but there was an expectation to party hard. There were fantastic incentives including overseas trips. I’ve never been into drugs but was once on an overseas reward trip that got so messy, an actual food fight broke out. Directors off their tits on coke firing prawn skewers at each other. It was nuts. I remember standing there as food flew past me, watching people openly snorting lines and thinking “what the fuck am I doing?!”.

So I moved into another smaller agency that promised the sun, moon, and stars. I was doing Executive search. Great salary (unusually), huge commission and incentives. I pretty much had a breakdown and had to leave the workforce for a while. Calls were literally monitored. Targets were huge and you’d pretty much be shamed on the floor if you didn’t reach them. We were encouraged to do anything to get a sale over the line. It was awful. Literally being pressured to lie. So many times I’d come back from lunch and realise a colleague had cleared out their desk and left in the half hour I’d been gone. On the outside, it looked quite glamorous- constant nights out, European city breaks, always had top of the range work phones and cars, incentives like designer handbags etc. We even had a quarterly scheme that gave us vouchers for designer work clothes, plus lots of hair/nail/beauty appointments paid for.

Apart from the culture, recruitment is very difficult because so much of what happens is outside of your control. You could work you ass off to have the best relationship with clients, you could have the best candidate for the job but it can fall apart in seconds and suddenly you’re not going to meet target that month. I had candidates accept roles only to then decide a week before they started that they didn’t want it for any amount of reasons. Often they were things I’d discussed with them- commutes etc.

If you were considering it, I’d suggest asking the following at interview-
What are the targets? Not just for fees, but other metrics like candidates registered etc.
What happens to targets when you’re on leave/out sick- is absence taken into account or will you have to exhaust yourself before a holiday to ensure your deliver your target.
What’s their commission structure? Usually, it’s staggered so you get a higher percentage as you bill more.
What’s the monthly target and what’s their fee structure- you need to figure out if you’re expected to fill 3 vacancies a month to reach target, or 30.
What hours are expected?
What client events are you responsible for?
What candidate evens are you responsible for?
Will you have a book of managed clients, or be expected to develop all of your own clients?
What are their payment terms? Some agencies do not pay commission until the client pays the fee so you could be waiting months and months to get your commission.

TeachesOfPeaches · 11/08/2021 15:31

It's funny OP, I was on a 'how much do you earn' thread and one poster was adamant that nobody got paid more than £200k, anywhere, ever. Even using the Prime Ministers sub £100k salary as proof of this.

Once you work in Exec you quickly get to know people on £400k base salaries and the fees to hire them can exceed £200k depending on their bonus and shares etc. It's an eye opening job that's for sure!

Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 15:43

Oh my goodness. It was told fees in the region of 50k but wow!

I honestly don't know how I feel now. Experiences are more poor than great to be honest and I'm very scared. Even more so by the comment of how if you don't meet your target's you are shown the door. I guess ultimately this is my fear. Failing and not having a job or being able to get into one quickly, as it could quite easily mean we lose our home which would he devastating.

I didnt think on the support side it would be so tough. More about nurturing leads etc but the suggestion of bonus would lead me to believe there were target's.

I really do not know what the f to do Sad

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TeachesOfPeaches · 11/08/2021 15:53

You're overthinking it OP, just go in for a chat and see what you think! All big companies are building out internal Exec talent teams (saving a fortune in fees) so you could do this job for a year and then move in-house which is much easier and more family friendly.

StTheresa · 11/08/2021 15:56

Just reflecting on my time in recruitment and I think that they often go for a certain “type” in agencies. I remember being asked what my rent was in my first interview. When I told them (city notorious for insane rents), my manager nodded and said “you’ll have to bill well or you’ll struggle”. She was right- I really needed to keep my numbers up. That always stuck with me.

What does the job description entail, OP? I know you’re saying support and lead hunting, but in what context? Developing clients, or attracting candidates?

FatPatsCat · 11/08/2021 16:27

You could have a look for them on the glassdoor website OP?

Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 16:30

I think I really need to be writing down things to be asking.

The problem I have is the job description at this stage is very vague. There is a need for the role due to a new system being introduced which basically logs and tracks everything. So there won't be cold calling. You are fact finding candidates that have opened business media, registered for alerts or applied for specific roles etc. You are nurturing leads from start to placing them with the sales team to go forward, and then being the person that makes sure everything is in place for them to start. The line manager has been very honest that this role is very new so there isn't really a jobs description at the moment as it will be built around the right person

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Needanewadventure2021 · 11/08/2021 16:32

They are on glassdoor and it sounds like a dream to work there. 4 and 5 stars and very happy staff

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Needanewadventure2021 · 12/08/2021 11:20

Sorry to ask again. What sort of questions do I need to be asking?

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Alakashazam0 · 12/08/2021 15:45

Research on Google.. Questions to ask in an interview. There's a whole array of information out there.

StTheresa · 12/08/2021 16:10

@StTheresa

I worked in recruitment for a while and I’m another who had an awful experience, OP.

I was in IT recruitment for a very well known agency. I was young, new to a big city. In fairness, I worked with some lovely people but expected hours were very long and the stress of constantly having to meet targets was horrific. In my agency, you were given a target for EVERYTHING- number of calls made a day, number of new clients you’d met face-to-face that week, number of interviews arranged etc. There was a decent level of integrity in the team I worked in, but there was zero flexibility and, if you missed your fee target three months in a row, you were pretty much out the door.

Our team was probably one of the quieter ones, socially, but there was an expectation to party hard. There were fantastic incentives including overseas trips. I’ve never been into drugs but was once on an overseas reward trip that got so messy, an actual food fight broke out. Directors off their tits on coke firing prawn skewers at each other. It was nuts. I remember standing there as food flew past me, watching people openly snorting lines and thinking “what the fuck am I doing?!”.

So I moved into another smaller agency that promised the sun, moon, and stars. I was doing Executive search. Great salary (unusually), huge commission and incentives. I pretty much had a breakdown and had to leave the workforce for a while. Calls were literally monitored. Targets were huge and you’d pretty much be shamed on the floor if you didn’t reach them. We were encouraged to do anything to get a sale over the line. It was awful. Literally being pressured to lie. So many times I’d come back from lunch and realise a colleague had cleared out their desk and left in the half hour I’d been gone. On the outside, it looked quite glamorous- constant nights out, European city breaks, always had top of the range work phones and cars, incentives like designer handbags etc. We even had a quarterly scheme that gave us vouchers for designer work clothes, plus lots of hair/nail/beauty appointments paid for.

Apart from the culture, recruitment is very difficult because so much of what happens is outside of your control. You could work you ass off to have the best relationship with clients, you could have the best candidate for the job but it can fall apart in seconds and suddenly you’re not going to meet target that month. I had candidates accept roles only to then decide a week before they started that they didn’t want it for any amount of reasons. Often they were things I’d discussed with them- commutes etc.

If you were considering it, I’d suggest asking the following at interview-
What are the targets? Not just for fees, but other metrics like candidates registered etc.
What happens to targets when you’re on leave/out sick- is absence taken into account or will you have to exhaust yourself before a holiday to ensure your deliver your target.
What’s their commission structure? Usually, it’s staggered so you get a higher percentage as you bill more.
What’s the monthly target and what’s their fee structure- you need to figure out if you’re expected to fill 3 vacancies a month to reach target, or 30.
What hours are expected?
What client events are you responsible for?
What candidate evens are you responsible for?
Will you have a book of managed clients, or be expected to develop all of your own clients?
What are their payment terms? Some agencies do not pay commission until the client pays the fee so you could be waiting months and months to get your commission.

I gave you nine questions at the end of this post.
Needanewadventure2021 · 12/08/2021 16:11

Thank you

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Alakashazam0 · 12/08/2021 17:17

Do you actually have a modicum of interest to work in recruitment??