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Holiday Entitlement - Is this worth speaking with to boss?

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Idole13 · 06/04/2021 16:39

I work in a small office, there are 4 of us in total. (myself, boss and two others)

2 of the other staff work 4 day weeks, one taking Monday off and the other taking Friday.

We get the bare minimum holiday entitlement, 20 days holiday & 8 stat days. I am working 5 days a week, with a 28-day allocation. The other 2 get 23 days but are entitled to get the Bank Holiday back, which gives them more holidays?

Is this worth speaking to or do I just need to get on with it, pretty annoying as I would love to drop a day and get additional holiday's to spend with kids!!

I'm obviously scunnered at the thought of going back to work after Easter break Sad

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Idole13 · 06/04/2021 16:42

* sorry, it doesn't give them more but, nearly the same.

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Atalantea · 06/04/2021 16:46

Their entitlement to bank holidays should be pro rated

You get 28 in total
They get 23 in total?

iwannascream · 06/04/2021 16:48

23 days is the full entitlement including bank holidays, if they work 4 days per week they get 4 weeks annual leave at 4 days per week which equals 16 days, the rest are the bank holiday entitlement. It actually works out to 22.4 days but as they round it up it makes 23 days.

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Idole13 · 06/04/2021 16:52

I get 8 bank Holiday's and 20 days of my own.

They get a total of 23 days, their 8 stat days, and 15 days of their own holiday.

Worker who drops the Monday, get's 3 of the Bank Holiday's back as they are off.

Think I am just a bit Envy that they are getting near similar holidays while working fewer days.

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DancesWithDaffodils · 06/04/2021 16:53

They get 4/5 of your entitlement (rounded up). It looks right to me.

movingadvice · 06/04/2021 16:55

Their entitlement is correct.

LordEmsworth · 06/04/2021 16:55

What is the solution that you want? The only thing I can see is for you to go part-time yourself, and not work Mondays. You all get exactly the same allowance, and it's pro-rata'd appropriately, so there's not much your boss can do about it.

The person who works Mon-Thur will need to use at least 4 of their 23 days to cover the bank holidays that fall on a Monday (depending on where the fixed-date ones fall). If you're going part-time, or looking for flexible hours, Monday is the day to not work, you still get the bank holiday leave allowance for days you're not working...

IstandwithJackieWeaver · 06/04/2021 16:56

They work four days to your five = 80% of full time. You get 28 days holiday and they get 23 = 82% of your total holiday entitlement. What exactly would you be asking for and expect to gain?

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Idole13 · 06/04/2021 16:57

Think I will consider asking to drop a day, think I am just moaning!!

The Monday dropper is leaving soon and I am taking their place, might just ask to be a part-timer.

Thanks everyone, use have cleared it all up.

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Sansaplans · 06/04/2021 16:59

OP I think maybe you need to work on your maths.

Geamhradh · 06/04/2021 16:59

It depends. When I was in the Civil Service part time staff who did Tues-Fri or the back half of the week on jobshare were also given DOIL for the bank holidays they weren't getting.

You aren't losing anything anyway and it would seem churlish to moan about other people's holiday entitlement.

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Idole13 · 06/04/2021 16:59

Ah, always one arse!!

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Sansaplans · 06/04/2021 17:01

@Idole13

Think I will consider asking to drop a day, think I am just moaning!!

The Monday dropper is leaving soon and I am taking their place, might just ask to be a part-timer.

Thanks everyone, use have cleared it all up.

But they aren't getting anything above and beyond what you are Confused. They do 4 days a week which is 80% of what you do, the amount they get to take, taking into account BHs is in line with that ratio. If you have Mondays off then yes you can take bank holidays when you like, but you aren't getting any more than anyone else.
tuttifuckinfruity · 06/04/2021 17:01

@Idole13

Think I will consider asking to drop a day, think I am just moaning!!

The Monday dropper is leaving soon and I am taking their place, might just ask to be a part-timer.

Thanks everyone, use have cleared it all up.

But you know their salary is pro rated?

They get paid less than you (because they work less) and get less holidays.

I'm also confused about what you want.

Sansaplans · 06/04/2021 17:01

@Idole13

Ah, always one arse!!
Yes you OP!
PurplePoppies · 06/04/2021 17:18

I think that their calculation works as long as they take one of their bank holiday days for every bank holiday which they are off.

They are entitled to 20 x 0.8 = 16 normal days plus 8 x 0.8 = 6.4 bank holiday days, so a total of 22.4 which looks like it has been rounded up to the nearest whole day.

At my work, HR work out a bank holiday adjustment to deal with the fact that different people will benefit from a different number of bank holidays depending on which days they work.

So for the person who has Mondays off, in 2021 5 of the 8 Bank Holidays fall on a Monday. This means that this person gets the benefit of 5 Bank holiday days off but is entitled to 6.4 days(8 x 0.8). At my work a bank holiday adjustment of 1.4 would be added to his/her annual leave. Total annual leave would then be 1.4 + 16 = 17.4.

For the person who has Fridays off, 2 out of 8 bank holidays in 2021 fall on a Friday and so he/she benefits from 2 but is also entitled to 6.4. The adjustment would therefore be 4.4. Total annual leave would therefore be 4.4 + 16 = 20.4.

This works out the same as getting 23 days (or 22.4 if not rounded up) and the person with Mondays off having to use 5 days of holiday for the 5 Bank holidays falling on a Monday (22.4-5=17.4 holidays still to book after bank holidays) and the person with Fridays off having to use 2 holiday days to cover the 2 Friday Bank Holidays this year (22.4-2=20.4 holidays still to book after bank holidays).

PurplePoppies · 06/04/2021 17:25

So whatever working pattern people do, they get the same pro-rata time off, but by not working Mondays (just because that is the most common bank holiday day) , employees get more choice about when they take their time off rather than having to take it when the bank holiday falls.

Atalantea · 06/04/2021 18:10

@Idole13

Ah, always one arse!!
Who is the arse??
Aprilx · 06/04/2021 19:17

@Idole13

I get 8 bank Holiday's and 20 days of my own.

They get a total of 23 days, their 8 stat days, and 15 days of their own holiday.

Worker who drops the Monday, get's 3 of the Bank Holiday's back as they are off.

Think I am just a bit Envy that they are getting near similar holidays while working fewer days.

They are not getting similar holidays, they are getting 4/5th of your holidays because they work 4/5th of your hours.

You get 28 days of leave however your employer has specified that you need to use 8 of your annual leave days on bank holidays. Your colleagues get 23 days annual leave, they will also have to use X of those days on bank holidays if that is a normal working day for them. If the bank holiday falls on their non work day then obviously they do not have to use up annual leave that day but get to use it another day. Yur colleagues, particularly the one that doesn’t storm on Mondays, May have more flexibility over leave than you do, but they do not get more than their fair share.

Aprilx · 06/04/2021 19:23

*doesn’t work

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