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Smurfsarethefuture · 31/03/2021 22:29

I have had a variety of jobs and am currently working on a project with 2 others. I would like some honest feedback about one of them who I am struggling with. The other person has already said she is leaving because of her and the breakdown she has caused her.

She constantly questions what I do even though it is the same routine each day. She then changes bits as though she is trying to catch me out so for example if something is done every day at 9.30 she will say you do this at 10 don't you? I always keep records of everything but she will argue that things aren't the way I say and that I must be wrong when I am very certain I am correct (simply because I am double checking and prepared for this scrutiny). I write everything down diligently and refer to my notes all the time. i have no desire to do any thing wrong or make things up as it is easy enough work, well within my capabilities and I do think I am doing it well (the external markers indicate this, too).

I also find that this person contradicts themselves a lot, too (which the notes confirm). For example, there is a mark on something we are working on (thing delicate artwork as an example). As soon as this is noticed it is logged and all details written down very clearly. She is informed and that is logged. A few weeks later she notices the mark and says this wasn't here yesterday/last week. I say I told you this and you said xyz and then she says no, I didn't then gets very angry, etc.

I feel like I am dealing with someone very, very twisted at times. I am a peace keeper by nature - I hate tension and drama and like things kept as simple and clear as possible and do know how to do this. The clearer I keep things (records, etc) the more that seems to cause conflict which indicates to me that she is threatened by this. Sadly, none of this should be necessary but as several people overall are involved and two of us managing the day to day stuff, this third person (who is professionally qualified in the field) but not working at that capacity is the problem in terms of causing tension. Everyone else is easy going and I think would work to get things done. I have spoken to the senior person who is very happy with everything I do and I have gone through everything with them.

I apologise for being so cryptic but I cannot give more details on the nature of the project.

In the job I had before this, I dealt with something similar. I worked with someone who was meant to be support staff to me and she was chaotic and quite aggressive. Work was n't getting done and too much was falling on me to pick up leaving me exhausted. I had to start recording things there, too just to keep track and make sure things weren't getting twisted. Other staff who worked with this woman said the same so I am confident it is not me or my style that creates these conflicts and I am following all the guidance I can find but the aggression doesn't go away from them and it is wearing me down.

I feel it is a control issue - they want control but not the overall responsibility and position themselves as some sort of expert based on their experience yet when it comes down to decision making, knowledge and the day to day doing they don't have the skills (imv). I also think with the first person there is another issue. I trained as a teacher and have 12 + years experience in it. She has been very disparaging about teaching (but wanted to do the job) and how her and her friends have taught their children during lockdown as 'it is easy, our children learned more than they do at school, don't know what all the fuss is about kind of stuff'. She has, on occasion, told me how I should have taught something as she has an A'level in the subject and has children.

So, this says control issues, arrogance, delusion to me. I am here until October and then will leave which I don't really want to but cannot continue with her.

I am also very, very careful to follow their instructions and do things exactly as instructed. I follow everything by them in initial training, check to make sure I am doing things right, work really hard to get things right and am very eager to do things the right way - there is no questioning from me.

I am sorry if this doesn't make much sense - I really needed to clear my mind from her tonight. My confidence is shattered and the common factor I find is around people like this in jobs who I have to expend so much energy on that everything else in my life falls aside. I leave the job thinking the problem is them and then encounter it in my next role.

My job history in the last few years has been temp projects, supply roles, very precarious, low level roles which is part of the problem I suspect as I am a post grad, with lots of good skills but due to a health problem things have taken a strange turn.

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Smurfsarethefuture · 31/03/2021 23:00

Few other things - speaks to me like a child, explains thing slowly as though you are speaking to a child, etc.

My confidence is shattered and I need to find a way to not let this (keep) getting to me.

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MirandaWestsNewBFF · 01/04/2021 17:05

Sounds like hard work. You mention that the senior person is happy with your work but are they aware of this situation with your colleague?

Smurfsarethefuture · 01/04/2021 17:23

@MirandaWestsNewBFF

I suspect so. it is delicate. i have had a good think about thing to do and I think some of the problems are actually

Teh tension this person brings/carries on them. They then argue and go around in circles over little things that results in me feeling their tension, physically - I can actually sense it. It's as though they are in an anxiety head space thinking things through in a very vague way cand cant find direction and each time I come up with something they need to argue it out. Eventually they settle on the point I made earlier, feel satisfied and leave me exhausted. i have been carrying this tension, therefore when they next see me they pick up on it an dthink it must be me. its as though they have zero self awareness of teh chaos they cause.

The conversations go something like this.

Me : x happened
Then@ why ? shouldn't have happened.
Me : It has happened before and we did xyz - its in the book.
Them; No, absolutely never happened before. You must be wrong . You have misunderstood perhaps because you are not used to this work and I am. (Its those comments that really piss me off).
Me: Well, I think we can do what was done before. It seemed to work.
Them: We shouldn't do that. Thats not right
Me: what would you like to do /think we can do instead?
Them: (Suggests thing that is identical to previous action )
Me: Great, I'll do this from now on.

Them: Yes, you needed me to show you. It s new to you and perhaps you cant see ut. that s OK not everyone can, it takes time, it comes with experience and a bit of care and attention. You have to think 'what would I want' in this situation.

Does that make sense? It is the complete disregard for what we are supposed to do (by her rules) that she then goes against coupled with the passive aggressive put downs. I try the whole grey rock tactic and focus on solutions and resolving the actual problem but today I realised that what is bothering me is the exhaustion and vagueness from dealing with her so i am going to focus on that.

Thank you for replying by the way. I was so fed up last night.

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Smurfsarethefuture · 01/04/2021 17:24

Gosh - apologies for the shocking typos - I am shattered!

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MirandaWestsNewBFF · 01/04/2021 17:28

It sounds like you have some good strategies in place but I’m not surprised that you’re feeling a bit ground down by it all - it sounds exhausting! In your place I would probably have a very honest conversation with the senior colleague, explain what’s happening and the effect it’s having on you and ask if they can suggest any other tactics for preserving a productive working environment.

She sounds DRAINING.

Viviennemary · 01/04/2021 17:32

I think you need to raise this issue with your superior. Especially since this other person is leaving because of her. She sounds an absolute pain in the neck.

Smurfsarethefuture · 01/04/2021 17:50

I'm not wrong here, am I? I felt like I was going mad yesterday but I checked the book and everything is recorded as I thought it was.

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Elieza · 01/04/2021 18:14

Can you and the other girl who is leaving have a word with your manager about that other persons attitude and the issues which are arising?

Smurfsarethefuture · 01/04/2021 18:24

@Eliza not at the moment, no. I think this kind of stuff is also quite hard to identify objectively and deal with although the fact others have experienced similar tells me that the problem is not me.

I am actually more concerned as to why I keep encountering it and I think I’m the past, I have been so shocked at the behaviour I have turned to managers to sort it and they haven’t so I have left. Now, I think I have to learn how to manage it myself (which was what I did originally not realising that with people like this there is only so much you can achieve). It feels a bit cowardly but actually I think they are so manipulative that for my own sanity I have to minimise al interaction and opportunity for talk and keep everything task focused.

It’s mad isn’t it?

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Ceriane · 01/04/2021 20:19

Ugh....sounds very much like my old mad manager, and the way I tried to deal with the situation. These people are just control obsessed!!!! Ignore as much as possible.

Smurfsarethefuture · 01/04/2021 22:17

Thanks @Ceriane

I noticed something yesterday that has been on my mind today. The language they use is a bit therapy/counselling in tone. It’s as though they have been told something about themselves, refuse to accept it and then put it on to others completely oblivious to the fact that it is meant to be something they take on board. That makes me think there is more going on and her behaviour is about something else.

Regardless, I will try and keep positive and focused on other stuff.

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OnWednesdaysWeWearMink · 01/04/2021 22:57

This sounds like a very stressful situation and you are handling it well. 💐

My old manager was the same, and everyone could see it, but I never felt able to raise it with her boss. I knew she would also aggressively defend herself, so I just didn’t have the energy.

It sounds like you have the analysis of her behaviour spot on. In terms of managing it, it might help to look up colour personality types - she sounds like a Red. You will find tips to manage different colour personalities.

I am working with another Red in my new job (but a nice one) and she does what you said about repeating something she’s clearly been told to work on about herself and projecting it onto others. Weird!

You probably know about assertive communication having been a teacher, but I found studying assertive communication tips has helped me a lot dealing with this sort of person.

Remember that her behaviour is unacceptable and you can’t “fix” it by managing her. You can assert your own boundaries and protect yourself. Sounds like you are already doing a great job at this!

Smurfsarethefuture · 02/04/2021 10:51

Thank you @OnWednesdaysWeWearMink. I really appreciate that.

I read something yesterday that really made a lot of sense to me. Basically, I think she has been trying to pull me in to something and I feel like she is using my calm to project out on so that she can see things clearly. But she is also derogatory towards a state of mind that allows one to have that objectivity and perspective - it’s too vague for her and doesn’t sit with her ‘doer/get things done’ mindset. So, some sort of internal conflict with her, I’m sure. My calmer nature just seems to antagonise her. But underneath I am very tense and she can sense that and I think is responding to that too. Even though I only get tense with her🤪

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Smurfsarethefuture · 02/04/2021 10:51

So, I’m going to work on being less tense and susceptible to her and put some stronger boundaries in .

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