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What career level is good to pause for a baby?

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Nat1993 · 21/01/2021 08:24

I think that my husband and I are getting to the point where we're ready to have a baby.

However, I've always been extremely career minded and I do worry that taking a year off will stop my progression. So I'm just looking for people's experiences about what level they were and how they managed to carry on climbing?

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Squigglypig2 · 21/01/2021 08:28

Having had a baby mid 30s and then early 40s, I know for definite that the latter mat leave had a more of an impact on my career prospects which I suspect I won't progress past.

tinselandlights · 21/01/2021 08:38

I don't think there is a great time, which is why it continues to affect women for years afterwards.

The most impactful thing you can do is to get a very involved partner who will help in the night and do housework. If they can do shared parental leave to help them to learn what it takes to look after the baby, that is good - for me it meant DH understood what our DC needed, and the impact on your brain. I see lots of friends who have an even split of jobs but then after the babies arrive, the DH takes a backseat role.

The first year (for me) after returning from may leave, I was still breastfeeding and was knackered, and I think that affected how I was perceived as I was forgetful and tired. So no promotion for me. It does vary company to company, though.

tinselandlights · 21/01/2021 08:43

Apologies for typos!

I'd highly recommend Sheryl Sandberg's Lean In, it is full of good tips.

Overall I've found having a baby makes me good at prioritising and takes a lot of anxiety away as I haven't really got time to worry. I moved employer recently and my new work is much more open to ways of being supportive - and have a track record of promoting childbearing-age women.

MOR19 · 21/01/2021 08:45

I think it just depends on the nature of your industry and the company. My boss put me forward for promotion after they knew I was pregnant and my promotion took effect whilst I was on maternity leave. So in my experience it hasn’t hindered my prospects but appreciate that isn’t the case for everyone. I’ve also gone back to work full time but my husband and I share the load 50/50 when it comes to childcare taking it in turns with time off for sickness etc so the ongoing impact on my career isn’t as much as it is for those who pick up the bulk of childcare after maternity leave.

Twizbe · 21/01/2021 08:50

There is no right answer to this. The one year maternity doesn't do much damage, it's the part time / time off after that does the damage.

This can be reduced by having the right partner. I think it's very true that the most important career decision you make is who to have children with. If you want to continue with a career you need a supportive partner who is willing to actually do some part time work, share drop offs, share time off for illness, share the mental load of parenting etc

An occ psy colleague of mine told me about some work on work effectiveness. She said men peak around their mid to late 30s and then begin a slow decline to retirement.

Women tend to have 2 peaks. The pre baby one in their late 20s/early 30s and again in their 40s.

One of the big things I took from that was it's ok to reach your career goal at 38, it's also ok to slow that journey and reach your career goal at 48.

I'm currently a SAHP and had a career job before. I plan to go back to work in a couple of years and I know I will have dropped a couple of rungs, but I've got a good 20 years of work ahead of me, I can regain some ground. It will be harder with kids but without them I could have realistically reached my goal on 5-10 years so I have time.

C0NNIE · 21/01/2021 09:28

The main problem I see is that men stop doing any childcare , housework or wifework while their partner is on maternity leave. Then when she goes back, they are very reluctant to take on any of that work.

So the woman ends up doing two full time jobs - the paid one and the unpaid. As you can imagine this has a dramatic effect on how much she enjoys and performs at both jobs and her tiredness levels.

I know so many women who then decide to go part time at their paid job because they are struggling at both. They often say it’s because they miss their baby too much / they don’t agree with FT childcare, because it seems like an admission of failure to say that they are just too tired.

They are embarrassed to admit they are not performing as well as they should at work. And of course it’s impossible to admit to being the biggest failure in the world - a mother who doesn’t find complete and ultimate fulfilment in being with her child.

So these women are just exhausted. They feel they are doing neither job well and they can’t admit that to anyone. Usually any attempts to get their Partner to share the load are rebuffed directly or indirectly, and they give up because it’s putting a strain on their relationship.

So they feel even worse - they FEEL they are a terrible wife who nags their husband, a terrible mother who just wants their baby to sleep to they can too and a failure at work. Oh and did I mention - their figure didn’t ‘ping ‘ back the way it does for all the women on SM.

Remember they are usually exhausted all the time, which doesn’t help with a sense of perspective.

But they can’t admit any of this. Because there are people all around waiting to say “ I told you so”. And often their husband is very keen to say “ well just go part time then “. Because that way he gets to keep all his leisure time as she will continue to do all the housework / wifework / childcare.

Of course, he will tell everyone that he “allowed “ her to go part time and he will complain about the stress of being “ the bread winner “. He gets to be a hero, but he still has all his own leisure time as he only has one job. Later on, he will complain that she is lazy for not working FT and earning as much as him.

And of course it increases his power in the relationship, because he has more money and therefore control.

She thinks she will just be PT for a few years. But it’s hard to go back FT for all the reasons above. Her husband will climb the career ladder, then claim he is too busy and important to do anything with his kids or in the house. So she will still do everything.

Some couples even deduct childcare costs from the women’s salary only, then point out how it’s not “ worth it “. They don’t take any account of lost earnings, lost career prospects and lost pension because they only affect the women - so therefore they don’t count. (These things apparently only matter if they affect men.)

Some women try clever work arounds - like compressed hours. So they do 4 very long paid work days and then three very long days of childcare and housework . Their husband does 5 long work days any has two full days off. You’d think the problem here would be glaringly obvious but apparently not.

You say @Nat1993 that your husband is ready to have a baby. What he probably means is that he’s ready for YOU to have a baby.

Why don’t you ask him how it’s going to change his life? How he will alter his working hours, career plans are pension . What hobbies and social events he is going to give up ? How much extra housework he will do ?

That will tell you how ready he is .

Twizbe · 21/01/2021 10:46

@C0NNIE ALL OF THIS!

I went back FT after my first child and I was lucky. My husband has a 'big job' but is a super hands on dad. If one dropped, the other picked up, he changed his hours to accommodate this. We split sickness days (and there were lots) I was pregnant again and so we split household chores as well. Thankfully husband is more of a neat freak than me. He'd do bath time while I cooked then he'd clear up. We outsourced what we could.

I decided to stop working mostly because I didn't enjoy my job. I'd like to think I also saw 2020 coming (I left in Jan 2020) but I didn't.

When discussing my return husband has said he wants to continue WFH 4 days a week which means he can do school runs. He'd like me to return full time and understands that to do that he has to be a parent as well.

The attitude though that breadwinner doesn't parent is strong even in women. My SiL had such a go at me because when husband finishes work he actually does stuff with the kids and at weekends he take the kids for a few hours to let me have some time. She totally felt as though he shouldn't have to parent as he works.

cheesebubble · 21/01/2021 10:59

@Twizbe I can't believe your SIL has that attitude, so he works and you have the children 24/7, 7 days a week. Erm no thanks! I just don't get some people but that's just me.

I was just 29 when I had my first, expecting my second in May and I'm 31. I got a reward for outstanding performance at work, exceeds expectations in my reviews (highest one to receive) and want my VP by the time I'm 33/34 (next promotion, was just promoted before I left for my first and i was pregnant and promoted, there should be no discrimination but I know there is in some places). I will be back at work before I turn 32 as I'm at home for 8/9 months and hubby will do the additional time until our 12 months are up. I have a very supportive manager. I believe you can have both if you have a good support network and a hands on husband, there is also the element of wanting both as I do miss out on my child, something's got to give.

I love my child but also love my career.

C0NNIE · 21/01/2021 11:06

The attitude though that breadwinner doesn't parent is strong even in women. My SiL had such a go at me because when husband finishes work he actually does stuff with the kids and at weekends he take the kids for a few hours to let me have some time. She totally felt as though he shouldn't have to parent as he works

I agree. Many people feel that anyone who makes a difference choice about their family set up is attacking them. I suspect that many of these women are trapped in unhappy marriages and are resentful of other women who are earning so are ‘ free to leave ‘.

However most of us aren’t married to women - and for those who are, things seem much more equal. Most of us have men and male attitudes and male entitlement to deal with.

I suspect it’s even worse in middle class professional men as most of their mothers didn’t have careers and they saw how well it worked for their dads. Deep down, lots of them are quite happy for their wives to have a good job, indeed they are even proud of her. Just as long as it doesn't inconvenience them in any way.

I also agree with you that it’s important to buy in help. And that this ( and childcare ) needs to come off the household budget, because it allows both parents to work.

This is a financial calculation that needs to be done before TTC.NOT at the end of maternity leave.

Ditto some hard conversations about how having a baby will affect HIS life and career.

cheesebubble · 21/01/2021 11:28

@C0NNIE I agree with what you're saying and this is why we had 50/50 shared mat /pat leave for our first and I choose to have more time this time, about 8-9 months as I found pumping at work stressful and I do want to breastfeed this one. Even though I exclusively breastfed, he still helped loads in the night as well - a lot of women seem to disagree on this because he works so why would he have to get up and help whilst I'm on mat leave but I still think it's a 50/50 job.

This way, my hubby and I always pulled equal weight and still do. We knew before we're in this together and still know this. He's proud of me and I'm proud of him.

He actually grew up exactly in a family set up you described. We do have a hands on MIL though who also gives us the odd evening off to go for dinners etc. This was obviously pre lockdown!

I have to say, I don't see our set up as the norm and feel very lucky. A lot of people either admire it or think he shouldn't be doing this much as I am the mother.

C0NNIE · 21/01/2021 11:38

I have to say, I don't see our set up as the norm and feel very lucky. A lot of people either admire it or think he shouldn't be doing this much as I am the mother

You are ‘lucky in the sense that you are fortunate. So is he.

But you don’t have this set up because you are ‘lucky’ ( as in you have good luck) - you chose a good man and then you negotiated, arranged, compromised and worked hard for it. And dealt with the flack from others.

You have earned it.

Twizbe · 21/01/2021 12:43

@C0NNIE my SiL is single, childless and a self proclaimed feminist .... but terrible me for expecting my husband to parent his children.

I was lucky in that I grew up with a dad who was incredibly hands on (especially for the early 80s) he did everything for us except breastfeed us. He is very pro breastfeeding though so didn't push for bottles so he could 'help'. I remember him cooking at weekends, cleaning, looking after us all those things.

When people say they don't want to be a SAHP because they want to 'set a good example' I always think it's the example the dad gives that matters. FWIW my mum worked and here I am as a SAHP... the example of my dad means that I expect nothing less from my husband.

I will say I'm also lucky because the man I married almost 10 years ago is still the man I have. He has done some crazy 180 on me about being hands on.

@cheesebubble same. I breastfed so night feeds were all on me. I was also selfish in I wanted my full 52 weeks so no SPL for us. However, there was lots of ways he could help in the night and just because he worked didn't mean he got to lie in or sleep in another room.

When I went back to work we alternated who got up. When I had baby 2 he went into toddler if he woke while I concentrated on feeding the baby if she woke.

ScrapThatThen · 21/01/2021 12:56

Well in some ways ideally get the big promotion just before you go on maternity leave. You will be way more capable than ever when you come back so don't stick with an easy job that will help you juggle home life. You will be craving being seen as someone other than someone's mum. Some employers are great, and will treat you equally with male colleagues, others will assume you will be having baby number two and three.

movingonup20 · 21/01/2021 13:03

Sorry to burst your bubble but there's no perfect time from a work point of view. For your career as short a time out of the workplace as possible is best, pretty much diametrically opposed to what is best for your dc. I had my kids young and returned to work when they were at primary, they are now adults and I still have over 20 years to retirement - worked for me, but not for everyone, we are all different.

Go ahead and have your child when you feel ready rather than work, leaving it could result in it being harder to conceive and you'll wonder if only ...

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