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Disciplinary over Tweets - I need a hand hold

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BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 00:35

Does anyone have any experience of facing disciplinary over getting into a twitter spat? Nothing to do with the employer, but someone has sent screenshots to them and disciplinary action has been initiated.

Sorry for scant detail but I'm understandably worried about revealing much.

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Nitpickpicnic · 08/01/2021 02:59

I’ve done freelance work for services that act as ‘crisis PR’ hounds, employed by companies to search for and assess the risk to the client’s reputation of internal (employee) and external threats. I’ve observed that the more money a company has had to spend on any one case, the crosser they are (and most likely give serious sanctions). It’s also my opinion that if it happens across different staff members over, say, the same year, the company client gets more and more fed up (again, tougher sanctions).

I guess I’m saying that the sanctions can come down to context, factors that your DH can’t and won’t ever be party too. From the employee’s perspective there’s an element of ‘luck of the draw’.

I wonder if it would help if your DH, as part of his apology, could say something like ‘I’m now aware how costly even these small incidents can be to a company, in executive time and PR assessment. In a way, my new understanding could make me a better bet as a good worker down the track. I’m sure no training you might give us all will stick in an employee’s mind more firmly than this one incident will stick in mine. I’m not confident that the majority of employees are as aware of the costs and consequences as I am now.’

In the end, the best apologies are those framed from the point of view of the person/company that has been negatively affected or wronged, not merely a ‘mea culpa’ from the wrongdoer. Everyone involved already knows your DH is scared shitless for his job, and feeling sorry for himself. He needs to go in with something new, that speaks to their point of view.

Good luck!

Torvean32 · 08/01/2021 03:27

I find it hard to believe that after 1 comment this other person went to so much effort to try and get your husband into trouble.

In my area teachers have been told not to make any public statements about politics.
If he works in any kind of caring profession it can also be frowned on.

I find it very sad that a grown man enjoys arguing on twitter so much.

wildraisins · 08/01/2021 03:49

Unfortunately the fact that someone was able to link him to the company and send them screenshots means that the company are involved.

Honestly, I do think he was a bit silly. If he's going to have arguments on Twitter, he should just make sure his account isn't in any way linked with his place of employment.

He shouldn't be tagging his workplace on his Twitter account if he's then going to use that account to argue and be unpleasant.

So yes I think he was a bit daft and the disciplinary and perhaps some social media training is warranted.

ChakaDakotaRegina · 08/01/2021 03:59

I had a friend that got into a spat with a vendor on email and she had been using her work account. The vendor then emailed our head of risk in a ‘let’s get you into trouble’ kind of way. Our head of risk completely ignored them and said it happens a lot.

I’d get as many screenshots as you can, especially if you can see examples of them
Doing this to other people or being rude about other people- discredit them with their own tweets.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 08/01/2021 04:08

Your DH is not Donald Trump is he?

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 08/01/2021 04:16

What a big fat fuss about nothing.

Calling someone an idiot/twat & telling them to shut up?

If that's the extent of it, I've no idea why he's in trouble.

Bluntness100 · 08/01/2021 08:18

I also don’t understand why they have started disciplinary if it was one tweet saying shut up you’re a dickhead. I mean if they are looking for a reason, I guess he has just given them one,

It potentially could be argued that he was expressing political views snd being abusive and was linked to the employer, so as such brought disrepute on them.

BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 10:21

In the end, the best apologies are those framed from the point of view of the person/company that has been negatively affected or wronged, not merely a ‘mea culpa’ from the wrongdoer. Everyone involved already knows your DH is scared shitless for his job, and feeling sorry for himself. He needs to go in with something new, that speaks to their point of view.

Thats good advice, I will tell him to do that thank you

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BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 10:24

@Torvean32

I find it hard to believe that after 1 comment this other person went to so much effort to try and get your husband into trouble.

In my area teachers have been told not to make any public statements about politics.
If he works in any kind of caring profession it can also be frowned on.

I find it very sad that a grown man enjoys arguing on twitter so much.

DH had exchanged a couple of comments with this person in the same thread, just arguing the point but nothing offensive. This tweet was the second or third one - and yes, they did go to the trouble to screenshot it and send it several times, even after DH had blocked them.

Yes he's an idiot for arguing on twitter.

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BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 10:25

@wildraisins

Unfortunately the fact that someone was able to link him to the company and send them screenshots means that the company are involved.

Honestly, I do think he was a bit silly. If he's going to have arguments on Twitter, he should just make sure his account isn't in any way linked with his place of employment.

He shouldn't be tagging his workplace on his Twitter account if he's then going to use that account to argue and be unpleasant.

So yes I think he was a bit daft and the disciplinary and perhaps some social media training is warranted.

I completely agree. But I can't imagine it will be anything more than a telling off and a requirement not to do it again. It's not grounds for dismissal is it?
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BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 10:26

I’d get as many screenshots as you can, especially if you can see examples of them
Doing this to other people or being rude about other people- discredit them with their own tweets

Yes I have done, and yes they've done it to other people. This person seems to have taken great glee in trying to get him into trouble.

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BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 10:28

@WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants

What a big fat fuss about nothing.

Calling someone an idiot/twat & telling them to shut up?

If that's the extent of it, I've no idea why he's in trouble.

He hasnt actually been told yet what the allegation is - but he assumes it must be this. And yes that really was the extent of the message.

It does seem like a huge over reaction from his company. I can only assume they had to act immediately when they received the allegation, and give themselves time to investigate. Once they've investigated, I really hope they'll agree it's not that bad.

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BelgianFudge · 08/01/2021 10:30

I also don’t understand why they have started disciplinary if it was one tweet saying shut up you’re a dickhead. I mean if they are looking for a reason, I guess he has just given them one,

It potentially could be argued that he was expressing political views snd being abusive and was linked to the employer, so as such brought disrepute on them.

Yeah Im worried they'll find some tenuous reason to say it is in breach of their SM policy - being a dick head on Twitter where they are also on Twitter. Nowhere on his twitter does it say he works for them.

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AlwaysCheddar · 08/01/2021 10:38

Surely he needs to be given the reason by hr for the disciplinary so he can prepare his defence? Has he a copy of the grievance policy?

Orf1abc · 08/01/2021 10:48

There's a lot of case law on this subject. I can't recall the full citations, but B&Q and Halfords have both been found to be in breach of the law. In both cases it was found that, although there had been a breach of their policy, dismissal was a disproportionate response to the breach, and hence the workers had been unfairly dismissed. Your union rep should be able to get further details of these cases. The point to highlight is that, although there may be a breach (I don't think your husband is denying this), it was unintentional (he did not realise his profile linked him to his employer). Further mitigation would be length of service, no previous disciplinary action etc (assuming relevant).

Anne1958 · 11/01/2021 17:56

There must be something in the air.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9133577/Boss-praised-defending-employee-called-customer-f-w.html

4Mongrels · 11/01/2021 18:05

I imagine he’ll just get a slap on the wrist.

The embarrassment of using shut up and dickhead in an argument when you’re an adult will be worse than the punishment! That’s the stuff of year 6!

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 11/01/2021 18:08

If he is in any type of work disciplinary or grievance it is very likely that work need to tell him the substance of the complaint so he can prepare for the hearing/his defence. If they don't follow process or policy he has grounds for appeal or can even launch his own grievance. If it was serious, it could also lead to grounds for an unfair dismissal claim.

So I find it very odd that he doesn't know what this is about. He needs to get hold of the policy and make sure his organisation is following the steps, and keep evidence if they are not.

Jobsharenightmare · 11/01/2021 18:09

I think he'll get a written warning as PP have said, unless he has form for this you don't know about or they have general issues with his attitude and behaviour with clients etc. This is assuming he is obviously genuinely apologetic.

Premiumm · 11/01/2021 18:17

Arguing about Brexit shouldn't be a disciplinary offence. It's just normal mainstream political discourse, and not on behalf of the company.

2bazookas · 11/01/2021 18:27

does the timing of the tweet show he was tweeting rude stuff during work hours?

Premiumm · 11/01/2021 19:10

I really think that employers should ignore this kind of complaint from 3rd parties. What the DH said has nothing to do with his employer and does not bring the employer into disrepute. If employers ignored this kind of malicious complaint, we wouldn't be where we are now.

BelgianFudge · 22/01/2021 11:22

After waiting over two weeks, we now have the full details of the allegations against DH.

They allege that his offensive tweets (which express strong political views against Brexit and the government) could amount to harassment of his colleagues because they might be offended if they read it.

They also allege that he is bringing the company into disrepute, because a google search of his name brings up links between him and his company. So to be clear - his twitter feed is not linked to his company, none of his social media states who he works for, but there are other old links online if you search for it because the job he does is quite unique.

To be clear, they are not alleging he has expressed these offensive views in the workplace - and in fact the interview with his boss clearly states that he has not, and does not express these political views at work. And yet they are claiming he's 'harrassed' colleagues by expressing his views on social media (he has never directed anything at his colleagues, so they would have to choose to look for his twitter feed and choose to read the tweets).

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BelgianFudge · 22/01/2021 11:26

They also discovered that DH had a previous Twitter account which was suspended last year (yes I know, he's been a dick head on twitter). He doesn't know why it was suspended, but he assumes it was for a similar reason.

His work have produced screenshots of that old Twitter account. This account is no longer publicly available (we can't even see it). So his employer must have taken those screenshots back when it was available, and has clearly sat on this evidence for several months and didn't raise any concerns with him. If he was in breach of company policy then - shouldn't they have told him then?

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BelgianFudge · 22/01/2021 11:28

So the majority of evidence they have of his appalling Twitter behaviour is from an old Twitter thread which no longer exists.

He also has hard evidence of some serious harrassment which has been directed at him from his colleagues. He has never raised it with his boss, but it clearly shows that harrassment is considered normal at his workplace, and to allege he himself has committed harrassment is in my opinion absurd.

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