Would you change jobs in this circumstance?

[Rebelwithallthecause]

I currently work part time earning £50k pro rata

Been there for 4 years and loved it at the beginning

The last 2 years it’s changed massively and where I was always respected and left to make my own decisions some new management have been bought in that are extreme micro managers and it’s massively demotivating

I could stay in this job because it’s good money and very close to where I live so there’s not really any commute as such but I don’t see things improving there any time soon

Or, I could change jobs to a smaller company, doing more of what I enjoy but for less money.
Money hasn’t been decided fully but it would be maybe £35-40k pro rata part time
But I wouldn’t get the yearly bonus I often do at my current company and the new place of work is a slightly longer commute.
Both jobs are very flexible to fit around children

Would you change jobs to earn less money to be doing more of what you like and being respected to get on with your job without everything being checked ?

If you live to work then move on. If you work to live then stay put.

So potentially 15k pro rata pay cut and loss of bonus?

No, I wouldn't move for that role.

You have no way of knowing that the next place won’t be worse. Maybe speak to your current managers?

I know the people who own the other business and other than them there wouldn’t be anyone else I’d be working with so it definitely can’t be worse at least

The pay cut on a real monthly value would be around £500

Or potentially £330 if I got the £40k pro rata

OP you sound just like me. I sadly don't have another job to go to but I am applying. Trouble is, like you, the wages are alot less.

Have you been bringing it up at reviews? What did they say about it? Ask for a meeting with someone above the micromanagers. Tell them that the job has become uncomfortable and unpleasant for you and if they don't think you are a fit you would rather know up front as you then have a clear choice. If they insist that they do want you to stay then ask them how they are going to improve things from your point of view.

I guess it boils down to how much you really need the extra money and how much tolerance you have for being micro-managed. I have no tolerance for it at all and would start looking to move before the inevitable blow up where I lose my temper with the managers and yell a load of home truths at them. But you've lasted two years so far, which is longer than I would have.

Yes I discuss it with the directors at regular points and I gave a very detailed account during my last review

Unfortunately it seems they are happy with the way things are being done with the new management for now and don’t want to change it

I feel that when I worked full time I was much more respected and my views and issues taken seriously.
Now I am part time I am not worth bothering with any more

What about job security? If you've worked somewhere less than 2 years you have no security at all. Would that factor into your thinking?

My tolerance for micro management is zero and so I’ve felt unhappy since it started happening and there have been many a stern word from me to the people doing the micromanaging and the directors

The money is nice to have obviously but we live very modestly.

The aim was to earn the amount I did to eventually move house but really I’m not too sure a bigger house is worth sticking in a job where they don’t care enough about the part time members to worry when They voice that they are frustrated or unhappy

Effectively the extra money is what goes in savings each month so it would be cutting back on savings more than anything

@chatterbugmegastar yes that’s a good point

My job currently is very secure. The company is doing financially very well

The new job would mean I don’t have the protection but I have looked at their accounts and they are generally looking financially secure too.
They are a similar company to where I work now and lots of potential for growth which makes me hopeful that there could be wage increases more likely there

I’m earning as much as I’m ever likely to where I am now

I'd be torn, but if I could get them new job' to pay the £40k with annual reviews etc then as the money is 'savings' I'd probably make the move on

It does depend a bit on security though. I'd only move (right now) if I thought it would be secure & if they'd look after me wrt sick pay etc.

My job currently is very secure. The company is doing financially very well

In the new job you could be 'got rid of' easily within the first two years even if the company is doing well financially

You just might not fit in or whatever excuse the company directors want to use

Don’t forget to factor in the cost of the extra commute to th new job. That effectively makes it an even bigger pay cut.

I wouldn't be keen to give up my employment rights for the next two years in this climate.

You could always apply with the proviso (don't tell them this, obviously) that if they don't offer 40k, you won't take it. I'm of the opinion that life is too short to feel constantly frustrated by your job. Likely that you would get their attention when you resign though, so worth thinking about what you would do if they offered to make changes at that point.

Its a risk and nobody can advise.

You could move to the new company, realise that you hate the way the owner runs their business and even if not micromanaged find you don't fit in. The place could be sold and you could get a worse boss, or 5hey could indeed have just encountered financial.issy4s and close.

In the meantime, a new director might come in your current place, decide he doesn't like the current culture, decides to shake things up and the 3nvironmrnt goes back to what it was.

Only reading the future would help. What matters is that whatever decision you make you don't look back. Living with regrets is worse than anything.

Im split

If you need to ask others opinions - clearly you are not set so absolutely do not do it!

You don't need justification to move or stay, but you do need to be happy.

Does your job make you happy?
Will the new job make you happy?
Where do you think would be happiest?

Then move on to

Is my happiness worth 10k less a year?
Is my misery worth 10k a year?

Is the job move too risky?
Can you source another easily if the new place failed?
Does it matter? Are you qualified for other things?
How long would your savings keep you?
Was the new house just for size, or do you have separate issues like bad neighbours / no parking!?

Quite honestly there is so many varients and we arent in your position so yeah we can say 'what we would do' but..
Its just in theory. We are really saying what we think we would do.

What would you say to me OP if i was yourself? 😆

FWIW, I think in the conditions you've replied with (ie the money isnt 100% needed for living) - id take the new one.
In my current circumstances - I couldn't lose the money and im miserable anyway 🤣

Likely that you would get their attention when you resign though, so worth thinking about what you would do if they offered to make changes at that point.

Whilst this is a scenario that could happen, you also need to ask yourself how reliable their commitment to change would be if you have to put one foot out the door with your hat and coat on to force your current employers to improve the way they treat you. And how likely would their change be an enduring one, once they've persuaded you to stay. You can only do that once, after that, they hold the power.

I don't like the sound of them being so dismissive of you now you're on part time hours. Very typical of a discriminatory employer given that the majority of part time employees are women with childcare responsibilities.

An alternative option is to stay put, formalise your concerns with your management to see if you can improve things in the short term, while actively look for a new role that pays you what your skills and experience are really worth. In other words don't under sell yourself just to escape a bad employment situation.

Jump when the conditions are right, rather than as a reaction, and protect those employment rights at the moment. A meaningful duration of time in this employment on your CV is always a good thing.

You do have other options - why not wait and see if another job on better pay comes up?

If your tolerance level of micro managers is zero - I would seriously look at leaving. That way you leave with your reputation and sanity intact. You spend a long time working - might as well do something you enjoy.
Yes there is the stability factor of your current job - but really, any job is at risk if the company hits a bad patch, which any company could in the current climate.

@Bargebill19 you are right

I have zero tolerance of micro managers.

Can I learn to have some tolerance of that?

I can’t imagine there’s anyone that likes it.

For me - the answer would be no, I couldn’t learn tolerance for numpty management. I think it’s a strength to acknowledge and learn from your flaws - but I know I only have so much patience before I would say something about their style. I’m not as laid back about such things.
Only YOU know YOU and what you can change or accept. Your either have the character to sit back and accept things and take the wage or you don’t and something has to change - and it won’t be your manager. It will have to either be your personality or the place you work.

@SkinnyChicky

If you live to work then move on. If you work to live then stay put.

That's a good bit of advice for many employment situations!