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Legal advice: Covid-19 - employee not social distancing

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Zogtastic · 06/04/2020 19:53

There is information available online about employer responsibility with regard to safe social distancing practices in the workplace for key workers and clearly they can instruct an employee to follow company policies regarding health and safety whist at work - but what redress options does an employer have if an employee is being irresponsible and not complying with government social distancing guidelines outside of work? E.g. travelling to be with family who live 3/4 hours away at weekends. Given the potential risk to other employees etc of this action, can the employer take formal disciplinary action if the employee continues to do this or just express their disappointment at deliberate non-compliance?

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KillerofMen · 08/04/2020 19:30

The only thing I can think of is bringing the company into disrepute as they're committing a crime. Employer could suspend pending investigation. You'd need to check your own contractual policies with regards to that though.

Zogtastic · 08/04/2020 20:33

Thanks @killerofmen. That’s really helpful.

If the employee says they now won’t do it following chat about it & then the company finds out they lied and did do it...Do you think that, along with bringing the company into disrepute, it would also impact the “mutual trust and confidence” implicit in any employment contract?

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thatmustbenigelwiththebrie · 08/04/2020 22:41

It's not technically a crime though to travel to visit family. Yes it's against the guidelines, but not the law. So you couldn't use that.

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 08/04/2020 22:48

Perhaps an employment expert could advise on (temporarily?) including a clause in the contract to follow current government advice regarding the pandemic?
IANAL etc.

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 08/04/2020 22:49

Do you have evidence that they've lied?

Palavah · 08/04/2020 22:53

Have you asked them about the reason for travel and whether there is an essential reason, are they caring for relatives for example? I wouldn't want to go in with size 9s before understanding the position.

If the employee is behaving in a way that brings colleagues and/or customers at risk then I'd imagine that breaches any clause you might have about misconduct?

IANAL.

BittersweetMemories · 08/04/2020 23:08

I'm not sure that it is really any of any employers business what employees are up to at the weekend, COVID 19 or not.

Arguably you could go down the bringing the company into disrepute but this would seem like incredibly thin ice to me - how exactly are they risking your business reputation? Even IF they did get arrested or fined for unnecessary travel, that wouldn't impact on the company.

A comparison would be, if I went out and got steaming drunk at the weekend and got arrested for being drunk and disorderly, my employer can't sack me for that unless I was wearing company uniform...

BittersweetMemories · 08/04/2020 23:14

When can you sack an employee who has been charged with/convicted of a criminal offence?

There is no general right to sack an employee because they have been charged with or convicted of a criminal offence. Instead employers must consider the effect of the charge or conviction on the individual's suitability to do the job and their relationship with their employer, work colleagues and customers. Relevant matters include the nature of the offence, the nature of the person’s job, the extent to which it involves contact with other employees or the public, and the employee’s seniority or rank.

If there is no adverse effect on their suitability the charge or conviction should have no bearing. However, if the employee is unavailable for work because they are in custody the employer will need to consider whether that job can be kept open in light of the business’ needs.

Certain offences will affect an employee’s suitability for their job, and others may impact on workplace or business relationships. For example, an employer is entitled to dismiss a retail worker who is convicted of theft because honesty is an essential pre-requisite for working in a shop.

Sexual and violent offences are also likely to damage relationships with colleagues and customers/clients, who are unlikely to want to work with or do business with someone who has committed such offences.

Damage to reputation may also be relevant. Disassociating itself from an employee’s bad behaviour might be especially important for an employer with a mixed customer base that aims to cultivate a family-friendly image, for example. However, employers generally cannot make unsubstantiated assertions that their reputation has been damaged. If they want to dismiss an employee on this basis they would need to point to examples of customers withdrawing contracts or refusing to allow them to tender because of the charge or conviction.

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David1957hotmail · 17/05/2020 09:43

The mother of my children (we are no longer together) is a school teacher/teaching assistant , she is working at the school in a key worker role . However she is not social distancing and repeatedly visits a male friend some 15 miles away in london . My 2 son's 13 , 17 and my daughter 26 (a teacher) live at home with their mother . Their mother is secretive about the visits but when confronted tells them to mind their own business and f off of they do not like it ! As a key worker l feel she is jeperdisng the safety of not only my children but the children at the school ! What should do ?

Blabkb1rdB5858 · 20/05/2020 15:05

Employee could travel 4 hours to see family from 10 feet away, drop off shopping at door
No break of virus rules

Employee could visit friend 5 minutes away & go into their home
Breaking the virus rules

How would an employer possibly police all their employees during their out of work time ?

Blabkb1rdB5858 · 20/05/2020 15:17

What about people that work away from their family & stay somewhere
Then return to their family at the end of their work period

Not everyone goes home to their own family every night

Impossible to police !

unfortunateevents · 21/05/2020 16:25

A comparison would be, if I went out and got steaming drunk at the weekend and got arrested for being drunk and disorderly, my employer can't sack me for that unless I was wearing company uniform... - I don't think that is a valid comparison though? Getting steaming drunk is unlikely to cause any of your colleagues to also get drunk or fall ill, contracting Corona virus from a non-essential trip could make people who have been careful about social distancing very ill?

I'm not saying I disagree with you (after all, people in this office may have contracted the virus from being unable to properly distance on public transport in order oto get into the office and you presumably wouldn't sack them for that!) but I don't think your particular analogy is a good one?

Moondust001 · 25/05/2020 11:34

Apparently, driving 260 miles to see family during the lockdown was definitely not a sacking offence.

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