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PurpleDaisy2114 · 22/04/2019 17:09

Happy bank holiday all- usual reflections here albeit I have been very stressed and anxious about work recently.
I am 41, married and have 2 children with additional needs. Husband works shifts full time. I work part time (20 hours per week). I have worked for civil service for over 15 years, starting as an AO, progressing to EO and have had TDA as a HEO bit have but unable to secure permanently.
I've been unsuccessful in several HEO interviews recently and have been told I'm too humble and my work largely goes under the radar as I don't shout about it.i prefer to get the job done and take pride in my work. However I am really struggling with working at EO grade again. I know I am capable of HEO work but really struggle at interview.
I have applied for jobs in other civil service depts but am genuinely not sure I can handle much more rejection. I need a good mentor but have struggled to find one. A girl almost half my age who has an SEO mentor really secured promotion and it did sting. She is capable but I couldn't help but feel it was a kick in the teeth too.
I have a degree in English, I'm a INFJ for those familiar with Myers Briggs.
I think I will have to sell my soul to get on in my current dept andI am tired of all the game playing.
Any advice?

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livinglongerwithcalgon · 26/04/2019 17:23

Purple it will vary by profession. As a basic comparison, in my area (a corporate function, so not Policy or Ops), I would say as a snapshot my expectation of a good EO is that they get to grips with their work, can take initiative, don’t have to be directed in all things but will still get direction and asked to carry out tasks, they will come up with and implement improvements to a process/service/way of working (collaborating with colleagues to do so, getting the appropriate sign off as needed).

An HEO should be capable of all of the above of course, but I would expect them to be leading on a project/responsible for an area of work, coming up with how that work should happen, getting underneath it (eg setting up discussions or catch ups with relevant colleagues or stakeholders, doing research), assessing resourcing requirements, delegating tasks appropriately, working with colleagues and stakeholders to make that happen (so good communication and collaborative working), comfortable working with (and constructively challenging) more senior colleagues.

In my field, EO roles are typically administrative/support or data-based (data management and straightforward analysis) roles; HEO roles on the other hand require ‘ownership’ of a specific professional area, usually working to an SEO or G7 ‘lead’ or ‘head of’ in that field. In some of our roles, HEOs are the assistant/deputy of our G7/G6 roles (we have certain roles which are focused on providing an internal consultancy or partnering service to other parts of the organisation, which is where you get these assistant/deputy roles). Also in corporate function roles it is less common to have line management responsibility at EO, at HEO it doesn’t always require line management but sometimes does (usually of one or two colleagues working in support roles).

Dame the Civil Service also run returners programmes/roles, for individuals coming back to work after a career break. There is more on
CS Returners here, but also when you go on CS Jobs search select ‘show more’ on the filters for the job search, under ‘Contract Type’ you can select ‘Returner’. It is by no means the only way to get into the CS following a break, and right now there aren’t as many (they tend to run them in batches) but thought I’d mention in case you hadn’t seen.

livinglongerwithcalgon · 26/04/2019 17:33

Also Dame most of our mentoring and coaching is set up relatively informally (although sometimes through schemes and such) so isn’t usually accessible to non civil servants, however, I would suggest getting on LinkedIn if you’re not already and start reaching out to civil servants working in the departments/roles you’re thinking about. Obviously takes a bit of building a relationship, however I’ve had quite a few people connect with me on LinkedIn expressly for this purpose and it doesn’t bother me, I know others who do similarly to me. I don’t spend loads of time on it, but I’ve had phone calls for instance with people to chat through some of their questions.

Also check out CS Local in your region, it varies by group but many of them do things like outreach, promoting working in the CS so your regional group might have someone who would be happy to chat with you.

And lastly, a lot of working is going into developing the CS Careers site where you can get a better idea of what different departments and professions are like (and a link to Success Profiles, as we’ve recently moved away from our former competency framework).

I think I’ve done my bit for the service today! Grin

DameCelia · 26/04/2019 19:42

Wow, living, that's fantastically helpful. Thank you!

daisychain01 · 26/04/2019 21:45

Another useful resource is the Civil Service Strengths Dictionary which provides an alphabetical list of attributes valued highly in all Civil Service Govt Departments.

The list is useful

a) to highlight in interviews examples of Strengths you've already exhibited in your career and

b) development opportunities - pick a Strength, find ways to use and develop it in role.

PurpleDaisy2114 · 30/04/2019 06:21

Thank you purple and living so much. I feel better and more positive about things and really appreciate your online support!
I've just had this through my alerts.

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livinglongerwithcalgon · 30/04/2019 11:05

Great Smile best of luck with your searches/applications. The programme looks interesting, could be really helpful, I did a programme once and it taught me a lot that has helped me both in work and in applying for jobs and promotions.

PurpleDaisy2114 · 19/02/2020 06:37

Just re-reading this. I have a permanent H interview soon! The advice on here is really helpful. Thanks again...

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