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Manager has lied to hr investigator, I have no proof. I'm stuffed, right?

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Cloudydaynow · 19/02/2019 13:22

Scared someone will recognise this so NC but no idea what to do now, can anyone advise?

Super small company, had no hr in place previously. Not sure how detailed to be, but I did something with the agreement of my manager ( I only have meeting minutes for this which were not signed, never had been by the previous people in my position either so naively didn't question that or think anything of it). It's been called into question by someone new, and my manager has said all along not to worry, she may or may not remember agreeing to it (a year and a few months ago) but she would never deny it, she could only say the truth which was she "didn't remember but wouldve agreed". The only issue I have with that is it was absolutely spoken about and agreed or never would have happened! I can remeber the conversation pretty much word for word!

Anyway, they have now employed a hr person to investigate. I have no idea if what my manager has been saying to me is different to what she's been telling everyone else, I suspect so or I doubt it would have gotten to this. But, at the interview with the investigator, he produced a letter recently written by my manager saying she never agreed to anything at all. Not that she didn't remember but would have done, just that she didn't. I know myself that she was told to by someone who has some kind of grudge against me but she will I'm sure, never admit that now, probably not even to me. So now on paper it looks like I've made it all up. I KNOW I haven't but it's now my word against theirs.

I'm sure from what I've read up on that it will likely be looked at as gross misconduct and I'll be sacked. I know the investigator said they have to go on reasonable doubt but I just can't see how they could reasonably believe one person against a bunch of others. My manager has been avoiding me for a few weeks for the most part, while inbetween telling me not to worry about it, she'll never deny it etc but now she has completely. I'm Not part of a union unfortunately and have no other person to really help. I feel like I should just quit as being without a job will be the outcome anyway but I don't know if maybe there is a tiny glimmer of hope at all. Anyone been through this or know how it goes?

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CheekyFuckersDontGetPastMe · 19/02/2019 16:41

Oh, I didn’t factor in it not being the last minutes typed, that’s a shame *namechange”

picklemepopcorn · 19/02/2019 17:55

So all this is previous practice, and nothing otherwise can be evidenced.

daisychain01 · 19/02/2019 19:43

Sorry are you really saying you didn't do a "File>Save As" so you maintained unique electronic records of each set of Minutes?

daisychain01 · 19/02/2019 19:45

Sorry. If I'm being a bit slow in the uptake.

MiniMum97 · 19/02/2019 19:57

Were them limited not emailed to everyone at the meeting? That's normal practice and that is then your proof. They don't need to be signed. Minutes are not generally signed.

Imaystillbedrunk · 19/02/2019 19:57

Right click on file, go to properties and restore historic versions. Outside chance by it may be there

MiniMum97 · 19/02/2019 19:59

Where are the paper minutes kept. I still think these are good evidence in your favour.

TSSDNCOP · 19/02/2019 20:15

Absolutely do not covertly record any conversation.

Do you have an IT dept? Can you get them do retrieve a back up of the previously saved Minutes and the date they were amended. The date on the Minutes - does it align with your diary?

Document in bullet form all your recollection on the subject. State as you have the practice of recording Actions, not signing Minutes etc.

Call ACAS for advice.

Take an advocate to any meetings.

Do not resign.

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