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boss not willing to offer flexible working as agreed

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lollipoppy36 · 26/11/2018 23:20

I recently joined my current role and before I joined I made it clear that I will need to work from home from time to time.
However, after I have taken a day to work from home due to family emergency issue. I was told off by my manager afterwards, for taking a day to work from home because of family issue!
The company policy and contract clearly stated that it is allowed under such circumstances, actually my manager's manager was the one who wasn't happy.

I can still try to push to take days to work from home, but then management would not be happy with me. What should I do?

The other teams in our company do not have this problem at all, I think it is just a team leader preference thing and it is not possible for me to move team within my company short term.

Should I start looking for a new job externally after new years?Confused

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Pumkinsoup · 28/11/2018 12:44

evidence that little work was done on these days

Surely, this is the point and should be the only factor in deciding on wfh?
What does it matter if there is an inset day or caring for old mum takes place when the same amount of work can be done?

The advantage is the work or part of it is done on the day. Taking a day off causes delay in projects. If overall over a period of time the work is done and well, what is the problem?

Pumkinsoup · 28/11/2018 12:46

X posted Alfie

Pumkinsoup · 28/11/2018 13:00

And for the record, ... I have had plenty of members of staff that work at home over the years and I have NEVER declined a request or made it difficult.

Why don't you say so... most posts here (maybe not yours Alfie) do sound like they make it difficult.

The reaction on this thread overall is negative, so it makes me feel that I have no hope for returning to work because I can't ask for flexibility or even if I ask and agree, the employer will refuse by the back door and push me out with the trauma that comes with this.

Why make it impossible for the employee?

HauntedPencil · 28/11/2018 17:17

I can't see the issue with making your employer aware you are looking for a job that offers flexibility to work from home on occasion. Plenty of places do this.

They did not have to offer the job. They did so they obviously didn't have an issue with this at the time.

swingofthings · 28/11/2018 17:36

What does it matter if there is an inset day or caring for old mum takes place when the same amount of work can be done?
If a member of my staff was able to look after a young child or ill parent whilst doing correctly their job, I'd be questioning their workload. What do during à day in the office when they don't have distractions?

Quite amazed how people take working from home as a due when the reason for doing so is to accomodate their personal duties. It's great that emoyers offer this option especially for people who normally commute a long way but employers are not paying people to be babysitters. I would definitely expect any staff with children under 8 to take the day off for inset days if they can't find childcare arrangements.

Oblomov18 · 28/11/2018 17:40

This thread shows how negatively wfh is seen. Generally. Such a shame.

Pumkinsoup · 28/11/2018 21:19

What does it matter if there is an inset day or caring for old mum takes place when the same amount of work can be done?
If a member of my staff was able to look after a young child or ill parent whilst doing correctly their job, I'd be questioning their workload. What do during à day in the office when they don't have distractions?

But a lot of this argument is a perception. You are picturing people being distracted, busy with other things most of the time if you don't see them. I worked from home, family members work currently from home and they actually work hard and long hours, we take responsibility, you know.

Not all caring for children involves young children, 10 year olds don't require much attention during working hours, but you can't legally leave children alone at home until 14.

Caring for a sick parent during working hours involves giving them meals and medication about twice, maybe helping to the toilet twice, it would take no more than an hour overall during the day, which can be compensated by working one hour longer. Even formal social care visits are about 1-3 hours per day, which can b compensated by working longer due to avoiding commute.

I agree about the really young children, but even there with a 6 years old it is possible to do about half of the work on an inset day, that would avoid delays and backload at work. What if a parent would ask to accept that the work at home with a 6 y.o. would count for half a day?

My point was precisely that at home people work the same amount of time / workload but in a difference sequence over time, sometimes with breaks if they need to. At home people can start work earlier (instead of commute), continue later (after e,g, 5 pm), or continue later in the evening to catch up (e,. after dinner). If people are motivated and enjoy their work, they take responsibility. If people overall do the same amount of work, what is the problem?

in the office when they don't have distractions

But there are plenty of distractions in the office. People don't work 8 hours solid at the same level of focus. Physiologically people work in bursts of intense activity interspersed with breaks and slower periods. They chat, have drinks, breaks, have meetings, stare at the screen while daydreaming.

The distractions in the open space with noise and traffic behind your back and the hot desking is a huge impediment to focus actually. When I was working I always stayed at home to prepare important reports and presentations , to avoid distractions in the office..

The idea that you can make 'intellectual work' in the office as efficient as a sweatshop, a conveyor belt is probably not realistic. You will compromise quality of ideas, outcomes, morale, health and ultimately competitiveness. Why do Google famously have all those playground distractions in their offices?

HauntedPencil · 28/11/2018 21:33

Not by all. I'm fully based at home now.

All the staff based at home or not can wfh. Some prefer it and others like to get out.

VanGoghsDog · 28/11/2018 22:02

you can't legally leave children alone at home until 14.

This isn't true. It's frequently stated, but it's not true.

Not that it matters to the thread.

Employees have the right, in law, to request flexible working arrangements. This would normally be agreed and then be fairly fixed. This would usually be in a letter, not the contract. Legally the right can only be invoked after 6m employed, NOT at interview.
Working from home can be part of those flexible working arrangements but you cannot childcare and work at the same time.

The law on 'flexible working' is actually entirely misnamed and should just be 'varied hours request' or something because it's not about day to day flexibility, it's about requesting a change in hours which then forms part of your employment contract.

Working from home now and then is a different thing. I work from home quite a bit. I have no caring duties. I merely note in my diary where I am each day but if something comes up that means I need to be in, I'll go in. Wfh cannot take precedence so it's not 'set'. But I decide.
In a previous job I was home based so unless I had meetings it was accepted that I was at home, I didn't trek into an office for no reason.

It is useful to be able to wfh, but in many, many jobs it's simply not possible.

hellhavenofury · 30/11/2018 16:19

I think they need to decide wether they have a flexible working policy or not. We do where I work and if there is a need to wfh and you work as much as you would in the office I never decline a request. I doesn't make a difference to me why they need to. It makes life so much easier on both sides IMO.

Satsumaeater · 30/11/2018 16:31

In my current job, when I am in the office I work 9-5.30 and usually don't take a lunch break, but sometimes I do. I always get out of the office for 15 mins or so, but I don't usually take a full lunch.

When I work from home, I sometimes start as early as 7 and finish by 7. Not always but I can save 3 hours commuting time.

I can easily fit in eg taking my son to an activity.

One time when my son was younger I was working from home, he was off school sick, he lay on the sofa all day watching DVDs and it had no impact on my working day at all. He was about 7 or 8 at the time.

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