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Risks of Financial Dependency on Men

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Judy1234 · 18/05/2007 14:21

Interesting that she thinks her husband's parents owe her a home. Legally she doesn't have a leg to stand on. Never give up work or don't hire pretty 19 year old nannies.... Or make sure you marry men who won't stray.

May 18, 2007
Husband ran off with the nanny, now his mother tells wife ?go?
Helen Nugent

A mother of three children has been served with an eviction notice by her wealthy mother-in-law after her husband allegedly began a relationship with the 19-year-old nanny.

Claire Hastings, her two daughters and her 18-month-old son must find somewhere else to live after receiving a letter asking them to leave from Louise Hastings, a lawyer. Mrs Hastings, 36, claims that her mother-in-law acted after her husband Robert got together with the teenage nanny, Amy Hillier.

The family had returned to Britain after a business failed in Australia and their home was repossessed. Until recently, they were all living in a cottage owned by Mr Hastings?s parents while they tried to rebuild their lives.

But the marriage fell apart and Mr Hastings, a 31-year-old IT consultant, moved back into his parents? farmhouse, leaving his wife and children in the 150-year-old property. He is later said to have begun a relationship with the young nanny.

Mrs Hastings has had to give up her job as a personal assistant to look after her children, and the gossip has engulfed the Wiltshire hamlet of Charlcutt.

?I am devastated,? she said. ?Not only have I lost my husband but also my home. I cannot understand why Louise is doing this ? she has three beautiful grandchildren. I?ve done nothing wrong ? yet I am being punished.?

She added: ?The two younger children keep asking where their daddy is and what can I tell them?

?I have no idea why his mother wants us kicked out. He just said that if we get divorced ?mother doesn?t want to lose the cottage?.

?My father-in-law John even told me to ?run off and find a council house?. But although I have had to give up work to look after the kids, I don?t want to sponge off the state.?

The Hastings met 12 years ago and moved to Australia in 1999. When they returned to Britain in 2004, they moved into the 200-acre farm and stud owned by Mr Hastings?s parents, Louise, 73, a civil barrister, and her husband John, an architect.

After the young family moved into the cottage 200 yards from the farmhouse, the marriage was under strain. The eviction notice was issued in January, asking for the cottage to be vacated by June 31.

Mrs Hastings said: ?They would never lose this cottage if they allowed me to stay here ? but this is having such a bad effect on the children and I. I can?t believe they are being this cruel.?

Louise Hastings said that the arrangement to live in the cottage was always intended to be temporary and that the eviction notice was served on her daughter-in-law and her son.

Mrs Hastings said: ?They both got an eviction notice which is purely protecting our rights as landlords.

?Claire moved in there as a pro-tem or short-term measure and they both need to sort themselves out. She will have to find other accommodation from the end of June unless she talks to us about extending her lease.?

Mr Hastings added: ?This is a private and personal matter that I really don?t want to talk about.

?Claire and I are getting divorced, but there is no way that my children will be made homeless.?

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suedonim · 18/05/2007 17:26

She won't be evicted. There is no 31st June.

Genidef · 18/05/2007 17:29

NOt that it matters when. Given that:

  1. working and bringing a nanny into the home doesn't mean that your husband will necessarily run off with her
  2. not working and looking after your own kids means he won't find someone to run off with
  3. women are not accountable for their husbands' keeping their trousers on or off in any case
Genidef · 18/05/2007 17:30

Shoot. DOESN'T necessarily mean he won't.

oh who cares what I meant?!

beckybrastraps · 18/05/2007 17:30

The only lesson to be drawn from this story is that you shouldn't marry an twat and rent a house from the people who made him what he is.

IMHO.

dinosaur · 18/05/2007 17:31

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Genidef · 18/05/2007 17:32

right on becky

Grrrr · 18/05/2007 17:34

BBS,

I think you are spot on.

mamazon · 18/05/2007 21:30

i dont think many women marry men thinking "i bet he goes and shags the nanny"

i also doubt many women chose their nanny on asphetic values, ie only if their fugly.

Why is it xenia that you just cannot accept that sometimes men act like wankers and women have to pick up the pieces. yes sdhe has now fallen on hard times but why should all women be encouraged/frightened intyo working full time and missing out on their childrens development simply to porve something to men?

FioFio · 18/05/2007 21:31

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mummytosteven · 18/05/2007 21:33

I just knew this was a Xenia thread by the title

Good observation BBS. Depending on the goodwill of the PILS is not an easy situation to be in.

veruccasalt · 18/05/2007 22:41

If she had a job as a personal assistant then she should have bit more nous than to go to the papers - it won't do her any favours in the long run and you can't put a price on the loss of dignity.

Talking to a decent solicitor would have been a better use of an hour .

GiantSquirrelSpotter · 19/05/2007 16:44

Haven't read the thread but I'd just like to point out that I too, am financially dependent on a man.

He's my boss. If I don't measure up to what he wants me to do, he'll sack me.

Unless you have an independent income not dependent on selling your labour, you're pretty much financially dependent on someone.

Oh well, I think I can live with it.

unknownrebelbang · 20/05/2007 00:52

Today's "news" is that the nanny has been dumped.

twinsetandpearls · 20/05/2007 02:35

I don't often agree with Xenia but I found myelf homeless and on the streets after my ex husbands family kicked us out of our home and there was nothing I could do.

I will never rely on a man oe hs family again to give me ormy children security.

Cloudhopper · 20/05/2007 06:44

What a horrible family. Treating her and the children like some kind of disposable commodity. Move along now the latest model is here.

twentypence · 20/05/2007 06:53

mozhe - I am not going to up my hours just on the off chance that dh decides to leave me. What a very strange thing to suggest.

Judy1234 · 20/05/2007 09:19

Ah, more is revealed.

Interesting comments in the Sunday Times today about what middle aged men might want...

"The Sunday Times
May 19, 2007
Beware of the nanny
It is a strange fact of life that most women, no matter how high-achieving, beautiful or intelligent, have, at the back of their minds, a worm of anxiety about their nanny and her effect on their husband
India Knight

What is it with men and their children?s nannies? Last week we heard how Robert Hastings, 31, had dumped his wife Claire, 36, for Amy Hillier, the 19-year-old nanny the couple had employed to look after their three small daughters. The Hastings marriage was going through a rocky patch ? the couple had been together for 12 years and had recently come back to England from Australia, where Hastings?s business had gone belly-up.

Claire Hastings confided in the nanny about her marital difficulties: ?I would tell Amy that I wanted to work things out with Rob and she sat there nodding and listening,? she told a newspaper. Shortly afterwards she discovered that her husband had booked a pair of tickets to Amsterdam (top marks for originality), and that he was not taking her. She hired a private investigator who took pictures of Hastings and Hillier enjoying a ?romantic weekend? in Holland.

?I?m a good mother,? Claire Hastings said last week. ?How could he prefer a 19-year-old bimbo to the mother of his children? I?m like a brood mare who?s been put out to pasture.?

And kicked out of the stable, to boot: on hearing of her daughter-in-law?s impending divorce, Robert Hastings?s mother Louise instructed her solicitors to send Claire Hastings an eviction notice (she owns the cottage the couple lived in). So that?s nice: three sad children see Mummy kicked out by their loving granny.

It is a strange fact of life that most women ? no matter how high-achieving, beautiful or intelligent ? have, at the back of their minds, a worm of anxiety about their nanny and her effect on their husband. I know a number of women who insist on hiring only ?plain? girls, which is somewhat missing the point (Jude Law, you may remember, had an affair with his children?s averagely good-looking nanny while engaged to Sienna Miller, who is beautiful).

Men don?t usually run off with the nanny because she is the dazzlingly gorgeous, leggy Swede of 1970s sitcom fame, but because she often represents an oasis of enviable calm in the inevitable hurly-burly of family life. She?s not neurotic, she?s not needy, she just smiles and gets on with it in a nonthreatening, noncompetitive, adorably feminine way.

There are other aspects, too. Such as the fact that the nanny has a life independent of the family she works for and this reminds the husband of his carefree bachelor days.

She gets dressed up, she goes out and has a laugh, she spends Saturday in bed with a hangover: if you?re a midde-aged man waiting for a midlife crisis to kick in, all of the above are aphrodisiacs ? especially if your wife, on the rare occasions you go out together, grudgingly squeezes herself into prepregnancy clothing that won?t quite do up, says she can?t be bothered with lipstick and could you please bring her home early, because she?s knackered and knows she?s going to have to get up a couple of times in the night to see to the children. Who wake up at six.

All of this is true and none of it is sexy. Contrast with the blithely unattached nanny, living the life all middle-aged men feel they still ought to be living, and you can see how a problem might arise.

But none of that is as potent an aphrodisiac as watching a nanny being good at her job. She arrives in the morning, smiling and serene, and immediately imposes calm and cheeriness where, 10 minutes earlier, there was only chaos and bad temper.

She scoops grumbling children up and they beam at her happily. She magically gets rid of the breakfast debris, the newspapers that have fallen on the floor, the toys strewn unphotogenically about the room.

The children?s mother, meanwhile, is looking massively stressed even though it?s only 8am. She?s muttering about her car keys, about how she?s late, about the ladder in her tights. There?s a blob of marmalade on her jacket, which isn?t helping her mood, and she has already shouted at the children twice. Observing all this, her husband can?t help but notice that mornings are a complete nightmare until lovely nanny arrives.

Should he spend the odd day working from home, he?ll also not fail to notice that when his wife is in charge of childcare, it?s all a bit unplanned and organic, which is a nice way of saying shambolic.

The nanny, by contrast, thinks of fun, educational things to do with pipecleaners and homemade play dough, believes in ?structured? play and cooks delicious, nutritionally balanced food. If it rains, she doesn?t grumble about it but makes a game out of wellies and puddles, and comes back happy and rosy-cheeked, not caring if the rain ruins her blow-dry.

As for the children, they seem blissfully contented, their every need catered to. The nanny never raises her voice, or snaps, or rolls her eyes, or says, ?Can you look after them for 10 minutes? I need a glass of wine.? She organises sweet tea-parties, with cupcakes and apple juice ? and, well, it?s domestic bliss, really, except this paragon is not his wife.

All men respond to this version of domestic bliss: there isn?t a man alive who doesn?t wish that when he came home his wife would be smiling and fragrant, freshly lipsticked, proffering a cocktail before a delicious homemade supper, after which she would declare herself not remotely too tired for sex ? au contraire. I don?t know many men prepared to say this out loud but I know they all think it. And why shouldn?t they? I?d think it, too.

While the husband is gazing in wonderment at the dream-like version of family life being played out before him by the nanny, he forgets entirely that she is working ? that is, she is being paid for all this energy and enthusiasm. Rather like the man who wonders why his wife can?t be as enthusiastic in bed as the prostitute he visits on business trips, some men genuinely fail to make the connection between being good at a job you?re paid to do and the drudgey real world.

Their imaginations run away with them: if they got it together with the nanny, they think, there would be pancakes for breakfast every morning and trifle for tea and the children wouldn?t be that upset because they love nanny.

If you mix all this up and apply it to the averagely happy, which is to say also averagely unhappy, family, the mystery of why men run off with what, to their wives, is a mediocre-seeming nonentity is solved in one fell swoop.

Men don?t fall in love with nannies but with the alternative world the nanny represents. Men are stupid that way. Any attached woman ought to bear it in mind. "

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Genidef · 20/05/2007 10:22

The only person living in a fantasy world as far as I'm concerned is India Knight in the description of what a nanny is like. However, she's another one of these people who tut tuts at mums who work outside the home. I guess if I had a great gig at the Times with half page columns every week, plus other odds and ends and probably a very well connected husband and family, I'd come round to that viewpoint too eventually.

Some might remember the other story which got a lot of publicity a few years ago about a woman whose husband ran off with the Polish au pair. The woman felt quite secure because the girl was "pig ugly" "had the face of a bulldog's backside" or something. Anyway, the twat was besotted by her. According to this Lady (which she quite literally was), it doesn't matter WHAT the nanny does, however incompetent or even competent. The main thing men can't resist is a girl with a crush on them. I think that's much nearer the mark than IK's theory.

Judy1234 · 20/05/2007 10:29

G, true. People who want you are attractive. I think that's known research. Nothing sexier than to be wanted whether you're male or female I think.

What Ms Knight does not go on to say is that all the man here will achieve is having to live with a teenager (and any of us who do this with our own children know it's not that much fun) that after about 5 years with new children and 2 families to support and a new wife more demanding than the first he will wonder why he bothered to change anything and he'll have to work until he's 70 to pay for it all.

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Genidef · 20/05/2007 10:32

I think these relationships usually break up anyway in a short while - I bet five years would break some sort of record!!

Judy1234 · 20/05/2007 10:35

Probably. Who was that journalist - Liddle who left his wife and family for someone just over 20? I wonder if they are still together. Just been reading about a US presiential hopeful aged 60 and his new (3rd) wife is an Essex Girl, 6 foot, red hair, looks gorgeous who is about 28. She says the 31 year age gap doesn't matter to her.

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Genidef · 20/05/2007 10:35

Yes Liddle did it. But I thought it was with the receptionist at the Speccie not his nanny? Are you talking about Gingrich?

fuzzywuzzy · 20/05/2007 10:36

How can one tell the person one considers to be the man they want to spend the rest of their lives with wont/will stray at some point?? I doubt many women would marry and have children with a man who anounces he's only stoppin ti,l somethign better comes along.

It's a risk you take when you enter in to a relationship and have kids, and trust another person to be your partner in life. It's sheer bad luck if your partner turns out to be a knob

Judy1234 · 20/05/2007 11:13

No, the US man is one I'd never heard of and not likely to get chosen. Yes, Liddle was someone at work, you're right.

How can you tell? Things like look at the family, his father. Is his father on a 3rd marriage by now or had countless affairs. Look at if the has a stable religion which tends to rein people in, same if he'll commit to marriage rather than live in sin. Check how he talks about people who hurt their wives like this - does he joke about it, imply everyone does it? Check out his old girl friends if you can. Check if was divorced for adultery. Look for genetic links which I think there may be - look at the Kennedys for example. But you're right, you can never be sure and don't allow it to occur either - however much you trust someone if he's in London in a flat all week and you're in the country there's a much higher chance he'll stray. Most adultery is opportunity than deliberate wickedness.

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