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Why do people work part time ? I've never understood it...

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mozhe · 17/05/2007 00:45

I never have, but lots of colleagues in NHS did....you end up doing 3/4 of the work for 1/2 the salary, and get passed over in the promotion stakes...And have you noticed that it's nearly always women who do this ? Why ? I actively discourage junior staff from doing this but lots seem to....

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Beauregard · 17/05/2007 12:49

Mozhe would make a fabulous ambassador for the NHS.

suejonezwillsoonbeKewcumber · 17/05/2007 12:50

is Mozhe Xenia's sister?

Beauregard · 17/05/2007 12:51

No her shrink.

Beauregard · 17/05/2007 12:53
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gess · 17/05/2007 12:57

PMSL carmenere. Ha ha- I do the same

mohze can do what she likes, no doubt her children will flourish, but find it odd that someone who will- presumably voluntarily- go back to work when her baby is 2 weeks old sees herself as the role model for mothers eveywhere.

I know some have no choice, but I can think of very few women (actually none that I know) that would choose to leave a 2 week old baby to return to a full time job (and I quite happily did some part time work from home with a young baby). Presumably mohze thinks and feels differently to the majority of women. Which is fine. But why paint the rest of us as odd, or wrong.

gess · 17/05/2007 12:58

thinks and feels differently to the majority of mothers - it should say.

Tinker · 17/05/2007 13:02

The question should surely be why don't more people work part-time? (usual caveats apply of course)

bossykate · 17/05/2007 13:05

lol @ tinks! am going to steal the phrase "usual caveats apply".

Rhubarb · 17/05/2007 13:11

I work part time because I have children and I am lucky.

Lucky that dh has a full time job that means I do not have to work full time too.

Lucky that I am able to take and pick up my dd from school.

Lucky that I am able to spend some time with my 3yo ds instead of having to put him into full time care.

I am a full time mother and part time paid worker.

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mozhe · 17/05/2007 13:54

Thanks for all the feedback !! I was teaching all morning so didn't get a chance to reply....NO winding up/argument-starting was intended, that is just not my style...but I am interested in why some people feel so defensive and angry ? I have never come across a male junior colleague who wanted to reduce his hours,( quite the opposite in fact, junior staff known for working very long hours, unnecessarily so sometimes ), it's always women...surely this is significant ? Women still victims of sexism in the workplace and the home...Yes women have babies, BUT other people can help look after them ? Even parents who work ' full time ' aren't actually at work all the time....I normally work 7-7x5 days a week,( a bit less atm as am on an academic sabbatical from a hospital post...), but that still leaves plenty of time for DCs.Our aim in our family has always been to get a good balance between work/home, and also to strive to make sure we run our family in an equal ops way, so DH spends as much time as I do with DCs,( not currently I admit as self and DCs+nanny are living in France atm and DH comes on weekends and lives in London during week....we would not do this long term ),and I have always tried to get back to work asap after babies arrive.It is something I feel a bit guilty about in relation to NHS...x 4 mat leaves,( I had a twin pregnancy last time ),but in all I have taken 36 weeks, which is less than a year and hope to go back earlier this time too...BUT DH will take over for a month then and help look after DC6.
In relation to ' discouraging ' junior staff from working part time...I really try to get to the bottom of what it is they are trying to say...often it is problems with workload/childcare etc and if support is given with these difficulties then very often the person doesn't actually want to reduce their hours.At the end of the day of course it is their call..
Many part time colleagues do tell me that they do end up receiving less £££s and working more hours, and they are by no means all doctors..I have a very good friend who is a senior social worker in an inner London borough, she is paid to work 21 hours a week and last week rang me to say she had done 40 hrs !! Her male colleague on the other hand had been paid to work his 37.5 and had done just that..
My main thought is I suppose that women can become victims of discrimination by working part time...
No relative/connection to Xenia I'm afraid though do admire her....she IS a good model for her children, I do believe that.The thing is women like myself and Xenia,( and others, there are others out there on MN !), who have large families,( because we want to ), and work hard at demanding careers are not odd or unusual, there are many of us.

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mozhe · 17/05/2007 13:56

Oh and I am a full time mother too Rhubarb....it is not right to imply anything else.

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motherinferior · 17/05/2007 13:59

I agree that women can be discriminated against for working part time but I think that is the fault of the work structure in which the operate - and the managers who manage them - not their own fault.

I think more men should go part time and do a bit more hands-on parenting, definitely.

motherinferior · 17/05/2007 14:03

In fact I reckon the question should be 'Why do so few fathers work part-time?'

PrincessPeaHead · 17/05/2007 14:05

I always read these threads and thank the lord that I'm not one of these women who thinks that however I choose to live my life is how EVERYONE ought to live their life.

Being so excessively self-centred and deluded would be exhausting, frankly.

speedymama · 17/05/2007 14:06

I work part-time and work hard for my career. Working part-time, having a demanding career and hard work are not mutually exclusive.

DontCallMeBaby · 17/05/2007 14:11

I like the balance of three days in paid work, and four days outside, better than five and two. DH had some stupid hide-bound ideas of why I should go part-time (because I earn less and 'women have stronger bonds with their children'*) which I put him right on, but made the decision to go part-time anyway. I like having full days with DD which are not hectic weekend days getting the shopping done and sharing the world with everyone else who works Mon-Fri.

I don't really feel like I've been condictioned into it by a paternalistic society, but maybe I have and just don't care. DH's contribution is that he takes DD to nursery on my working days, so I get a head start, I collect her but he is always home at a sensible hour. We share all other things domestic, bar cooking (he doesn't cook, but then I've never cleaned either of the loos in this house).

On the other hand, we have quite a lot of part-time male workers at my place, the numbers are increasing all the time, and I even have one friend whose husband works in the private sector (gasp) and is part-time to complement her part-time hours (I think she does the bulk of the paid work, in fact).

I doubt Rhubarb is getting at you with the full-time mother comment btw mozhe, only because that statement is EXACTLY what I tell people. It clarifies things - I work for money part-time. I work for love the rest of the time (when not sleeping or pissing about online). I am a mother ALL the time (this is a reaction to the full-time mother tag, not that I have a sensible alternative to that one).

  • so you want me to compromise my career even more? ** and you want to compromise your bond with your child even more?!
Blackduck · 17/05/2007 14:12

My dp did work p-t until 6 months ago and so was a sahd for 3 days a week. But having said that he was p-t before he was a dad! And like SE siad he worked very hard... (in fact most of his colleagues reckoned he actually worked harder than they did - and he didn't work longer than his stated hours, he just focussed on what he needed to do...

suejonezwillsoonbeKewcumber · 17/05/2007 14:15

people have got a little defensive mozhe because by saying that you "don't understand" why anyone would work part-time and that you "discourage" junior staff from doing so, is heavily implying that you think people who do it are misguided.

Speaking for myself, I haven't found your experience to be true, I do not work more hours than I a mpaid for (or only very rarely and no more so than full time colleagues), I have not been discriminated against for promotion (am a finance director) and I do not find that 7-7 x5 days a week leaves me with "plenty" of time with my DS - I have a 1.15hr commute into the city each way and I'm single so I would not see him at all from 7pm Sunday to 6.30 am MOnday. I choose not to do that because its not what I want for him or me.

Hulababy · 17/05/2007 14:18

Work Life Balance - I like the fact that I go to paid work 3 days a week (well 2.5 really) and have 4 days away from paid work to do what I want to do.

I agree with who ever said it before: I work to live, no live to work. I work to get money to pay for the extras, the fun bits.

speedymama · 17/05/2007 14:20

I think the question should be "shouldn't parents be allowed to conduct their lifestyles that suit their circumstances without smug, self-indulgent, patronising,narcisstic misogynists of either sex implying that they are misguided because the parents don't live by their myopic rules?"

Gingerbear · 17/05/2007 14:21

Nice one speedymama!

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