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In a weird situation about expenses- I've done all I can haven't I?

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MedusaHeads · 09/01/2018 13:17

I'm in a bit of a weird situation. Bear with me if this is long-winded, I don't want to drip feed.

In December, my work took me all over the country. Different organisations were paying my travel on different days including my employer paying for a couple of the trips.

I booked all my own travel in advance then claimed back from each of the organisations which is pretty standard practice.

However, on one of the days (let's say 12th December) my trains were paid for by an organisation which isn't my employer (let's call them Company A). My meeting at Company A was re-arranged several times and only confirmed for December 12th a couple of days beforehand which meant me cancelling another meeting that my employer would've paid my travel for.

Anyway, following my meeting at Company A, I submitted my claims to them. A couple of days later I also submitted a claim for 12th December to my employer mistakenly thinking they'd be the ones paying for my travel (because of the confusion around dates, the cancelled meeting and the general chaos of December overall).

Work paid the expenses for December 12th but then flagged up that they shouldn't have paid it because it was Company A's responsibility to pay it.

I received an email last week very curtly asking me to explain why I'd claimed for 12th December travel when Company A should've paid. I emailed back and apologised profusely explaining what had happened and offering to pay back the expenses they'd paid me. I owned up and said it was my fault and it wouldn't happen again (and has never happened before).

I then received a follow-up email basically asking me the same question. I emailed back the same answer and called the person in HR/accounts to apologise and clarify. I was told it'd have to be passed on to be investigated.

Yesterday I got called into a meeting about it where, once again, I explained what'd happened and offered to pay it back. They said they couldn't accept the money back from me. I offered for them to deduct it from my next paycheck which they also said they couldn't do.

The HR/accounts person there more or less explicitly accused me of fraud. I understood her point completely but I queried why on earth they'd actually reimbursed the expenses then- why didn't they spot the fraud before they reimbursed me?!

Anyway, it's not a disciplinary matter so it's basically been dropped apart from my expenses being "closely monitored". That's fine.

My weird situation is that I feel as though I've done all I can to remedy the mistake but I'm still left with this extra money obtained through "fraud". By keeping this money (I have no choice about this, they won't take it back!) I feel like I'm complicit/admitting fraud.

Have I done everything I can here? I know the matter's being dropped so I shouldn't give it headspace any further but it doesn't sit well and I want to make sure I've done all I can.

Sorry for the huge post!!

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CheapSausagesAndSpam · 09/01/2018 13:29

Write them a letter saying that you're making a charitable donation in light of the mistake.

StereophonicallyChallenged · 09/01/2018 13:43

No - I would send a bank transfer and let them know I was doing it.

Failing that a cheque and in either case an accompanying letter explaining it was repaymen of overpaid expenses.

MedusaHeads · 09/01/2018 13:49

Stereo They were really clear that they couldn't/wouldn't accept the money back in any form.

That's a good idea cheap Grin

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RandomMess · 09/01/2018 13:55

Did company A pay for your travel like they were supposed to and you double claimed or did you claim from your employer instead?

QuiteLikely5 · 09/01/2018 13:57

Maybe they don’t want it from you because they’ve claimed it back from company A

StereophonicallyChallenged · 09/01/2018 14:05

I did think that Quite, but then as OP claimed (correctly and first) from Company A I assumed they'd be straight on to her if they had a request to pay OP's company iyswim.

OP I would ask for it in writing that they do not want repaying in that case.

BellyBean · 09/01/2018 14:11

Could you not claim for a future trip so it balances out? Perhaps emailing them with receipt advising that's what you're doing?

flowery · 09/01/2018 14:12

What on earth do they mean you “can’t “ pay it back, that’s nonsense.

Are they proposing just giving you the money? How are they categorizing it in respect of tax etc?

Monkeypuzzle32 · 09/01/2018 14:16

Get your company to say in writing they won't accept the return of the money and only admit to an honest mistake, as it was. I've had something similar and it was a total PIA plus you need to prove it was a genuine mistake and you had no use of or advantage in the extra money.

TheHodgeoftheHedge · 09/01/2018 14:19

I would also make sure you have all of their decisions about this scenario in writing to protect yourself from any potential future issues.

MedusaHeads · 09/01/2018 14:25

Random That's exactly it. Everything was fine and normal with Company A but then I accidentally put in another claim for the same expense from my employer.

flowery I know, it's ridiculous. I said they should deduct it from my next paycheck but they said they can't do that. So, yes, I think they're just giving it to me. I have no idea what this means in terms of balancing their books.

BellyBean Good idea. I might do that. The problem is that I'm not due to travel anywhere with work now for a few months so next time I submit another expense will likely be in the next tax year which might open a whole new can of worms.

Good idea, I will most definitely ask for their decision in writing.

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RandomMess · 09/01/2018 14:36

Cover yourself in writing!!

I would insist on paying it back due to the tax implications.

landgirl1 · 09/01/2018 14:40

This also happens when a company card is used for personal purchases-My company wouldn’t want it paid back so they keep it as a “payment on account” so it’s deducted off the next expenses claim. As long as you are upfront then it’s never considered an issue.

MrsNacho · 09/01/2018 14:54

Just do a bank transfer back to them and explain what it is for. Accounts dept will sort it out.

PassiveAgressiveQueen · 09/01/2018 14:58

Get a paper trail

daisychain01 · 09/01/2018 19:34

Gosh they are being harsh on you, aren't they.

Surely you're doing all that complex travel which I bet is eroding your personal time, yet they're getting shirty with you even when you explained it was a human error. Not nice!

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