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Thinking of training to be a teacher - will I be too old and other questions!

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LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 12:02

I am thinking about training to become a secondary school history teacher. I've looked into it but am a little unsure of how it will affect my family life etc.

I would love to hear from anyone who can answer some of my questions:

  1. When I finish my PGCE it will be in 2011 and I will be 35. I am concened that I might be discriminated against in favour of younger graduates. I think my age and, ahem, 'wisdom' could be to my advantage but I don't know. Does anyone have any idea of the general consensus on later here?
  1. How easy is it to get a job when newly qualified? (or at least, qualified in that I've done my PGCE.) I live in a fairly rural area with a lot of very nice schools around and not surprisingly would love to find work locally.
  1. I've heard that getting into teaching history is competitive. Does anyone have any idea how competitive?!
  1. How much work - honestly - does the average secondary teacher need to do during holidays and after hours?
  1. What is the system for getting teaching places in private schools? I would prefer to work at a good state but would be interested in the private sector.
  1. Can anyone give me ANY feedback/opinions on life as a teacher?? It's an unknown territory to me and I'd be grateful for advice!

Thanks in advance!

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LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 12:04
  1. Sorry - that should read 'Does anyone have any idea of the general consensus on getting qualified at a later stage in life here?' Sorry - clumsily worded but trying to do lunch for the dds in between writing!
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LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 12:40

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birdsong · 23/03/2007 12:46

i have just applied to do pgce and am in late thirties - but think i can work for 20 more years so why not do something i want to do.

ZZMum · 23/03/2007 12:59

MY DH just qualified as a primary school teacher at 43 and he loves it!! I know it is different to what you want to do but he has found his vocation and is happier than I have seen him for years... age should not be a factor -- esp as you are SO YOUNG!!

CadburyCremeSquonk · 23/03/2007 13:03

my dp is doing a year training to be a science teacher.

He is on a graduate scheme which is slightly different from pgce. He is 42, so a bit older than you are.

There are loads of NQT jobs out there, but so far he hasn't actually applied for any, so can't say how easy/difficult it will be - he's planning on spending Easter applying for jobs.

He has at the moment an HORRENDOUS amount of work to do but this is only for the training year - although he will still have lesson planning and marking, we are thinking that there should be about three hours work per night once he is in the swing of it, iyswim. (most of which he will do at school before coming home, so not much HOME work)

For private schools, I believe, you need to do your training year/years, then an NQT year then you are free to apply to the private sector. They don't seem to be much better paid, but often come with perks.

He is enjoying the work so far, but finds the attitude of some of the other teachers a bit hard, and some of the kids that in his opinion should not be in a main stream school, he is trying to teach them science to the national curriculum, when they can't even read... that's an issue for him.

If you want to cat me, I can ask him to contact you to give you a more personal view.

LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 13:03

Thank you, I am feeling inspired...

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CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 13:04

i taught history

CadburyCremeSquonk · 23/03/2007 13:04

why did you leave, cod?

LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 13:06

Thanks Squonk, I may well CAT you soon when I've digested my thoughts a little more on this.

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CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 13:06

well we moved and w e coudl afford fro me not to work tbh

woudl i go back?
no btu i think thast me i ama natural eacheriykwim btu i dont know if i can be bothered wiht paper work, everyone slaggign oyu off adn statistics.

also small town the kdis see you everywhere

also once you do give up somethign its ncie to try summat new

Muckypup · 23/03/2007 13:06

I am a music teacher and think it is a great job. Not as good as being a stay at home mum though! Don't worry about age as plenty of people get into it later.

You should do some research about how easy it is to get history teaching jobs in your area if you don't want to move. Teaching jobs are very sought after in some parts of the country.

Jobs are advertised on the Times Education Supplement website at www.tes.co.uk.

Good luck!

Muckypup · 23/03/2007 13:06

I am a music teacher and think it is a great job. Not as good as being a stay at home mum though! Don't worry about age as plenty of people get into it later.

You should do some research about how easy it is to get history teaching jobs in your area if you don't want to move. Teaching jobs are very sought after in some parts of the country.

Jobs are advertised on the Times Education Supplement website at www.tes.co.uk.

Good luck!

CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 13:07

sorry i am a ntarual teacher that meant
i mean i am good at it BUT nto good enough wiht detail , planngina nd Taking Things seriously

i htink i was intitatived out after 9 years

ALSO history doent change so you do get so BORED of the causes ofr ht efarkign first world war

tigerschick · 23/03/2007 13:07
  1. No I wouldn't say you were too old. Mature students on my course were snapped up.
  1. Best to check things like Times Ed Supplement or Guardian on Tuesdays to see what's about.
  1. Sorry - I was in primary so can't help.
  1. Depends how concientious (sp?) you are! Only joking - very varied tho summer hols tend to be mostly your own with a few days 'in' at the start and end of them only.
  1. Seems to be fairly varied. Once saw an advert for a scince teacher. Qualifications required ... Rugby and cricket coaching skills!?
  1. Teaching is great at times and crap at times. There are ups and downs and lots of other cliches! Think good holidays, not bad hours but fairly rubbish pay. Talk to any teachers you know, if you have any that know you well they would be better placed to offer an opinion.

HTH

CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 13:08

agree there is a great buzz fomr a great lesson
but god there are easier wyas to earn money

amynnixmum · 23/03/2007 13:10

Its was a while ago now but my Mum did her teaching degree when she was 40 and although it was hard work having 3 girls at home and a house to run in other ways I think she coped better than some of the younger students. She got a job on leaving and has been employed ever since. She is a primary school teacher though so it may be different.

LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 13:10

Thanks everyone for your help so far. It's great to hear your opinions.

Cod I know what you mean about the causes of WW1; I studied it at GCSE, A-level AND during my degree!

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CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 13:11

god yes
and the farkign feuadl sytem

youll do that a lot( i had never ever done it at school even)

i managed ot get to do politics a level for tow years( both got as!) sothat was good

CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 13:11

id say go toy he local shool that is the type youd like to teach in eventiually
a dn ask if you can shadwo fo a day

CadburyCremeSquonk · 23/03/2007 13:13

dp did the shadowing thing before he started his course, he went to three schools, one of which he's at now. They were all really happy to have him and helpful, etc.

fleacircus · 23/03/2007 13:13

I'm a teacher, qualified four years ago having worked in media and new media before that. NQT year is appalling, hardest year of work I've ever had, emotionally, physically, intellectually draining but after that if it's the right job for you it gets better and better. Now I do all my work during the school day, I usually stay until between 5 and 6 and am able to finish everything. I very very rarely take work home and don't really work during holidays, except around coursework moderation time.

Certainly I wouldn't leave now, I absolutely love my job and although it is very stressful at times my teaching colleagues and I agree that we probably laugh more often during the working day than almost any other profession. I work in an inner London borough so obviously getting work has never been a problem, don't know how different that would be in an area like yours.

My advice would be contact those local schools and arrange to go in and do a few days' observation there; you'll get a feel for what it's like being in school and whether or not you're likely to enjoy it. Also you'll be able to chat to people in the departments and they might be able to tell you more about your local job market.

Good luck!

LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 13:16

I found the feudal system tedious, but not as bad as post-revolutionary France (gaaaaaawdd... we didn't even get to talk about the guillotine!)

The nice lady at the TDA suggested shadowing as being essential if I wanted a place on a history course anyway!

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LadyMacbeth · 23/03/2007 13:21

Thanks flea, great advice!

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colander · 23/03/2007 13:48

I was a science teacher before DDs. I did a PGCE back in 1996 so probably changed a bit but...

  1. there were loads of older people (by which I mean mid 30s - mid 40s) on my course - I didn't go straight there from uni myself and was expecting at 22 or 23 to be the oldest. How wrong I was! They all seemed to get teaching jobs if they wanted them (some wanted to do different things) the only exception was this middle aged guy who thought he knew everything and didn't.
  2. I got the 4th job I applied for but I was being quite picky. Some people took supply jobs first and waited for local schools to get vacancies
  3. have heard the same from history teachers where I taught, but don't know
  4. lots and lots. I will NEVER go back full time but plan to return part time (0.4 or 0.5) when dds at school.
  5. no experience
  6. full of highs and lows, much more so than office based jobs (which I have done also). Nothing better than having a laugh with 15 delinquent 16 year olds and actually managing to teach them somethnig and later being told by the deputy head that xxx says you are the best teacher (xxx is probably in prison by now, just to give you an idea of his character!) Lots of lows too - paperwork, crap teachers making your life harder, annoying brats etc. However, I am looking forward to teaching again at some point.

Long post - HTH - and good luck with your decision. Certainly don't let the age thing put you off.

CODalmighty · 23/03/2007 14:55

adn the farkign home front 39- 45

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