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Oh help I really don't know what to do

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ebenezer · 14/02/2007 22:45

in fact I almost posted this on the 'am i being unreasonable' thread... I'm in a real dither. Basically, a colleague of mine who is currently on maternity leave, wants to come back to work part time. (We're both secondary school Maths teachers). That's fine; she's been through the proper channels and requested it with senior management, but the problem comes down to this. She wants to work 3 full days a week, and if she does, it will have a direct negative knock-on for my role. We'd end up having a lot of shared classes - obviously every class has maths throughout the week, so being in 3 days she'd pick up some of the lessons and I'd get the others. There are all sorts of reasons why this isn't good practice: eg lack of continuity for the pupils (biggest issue in my mind) greater workload in terms of marking, preparation, parents evenings, because although I'd be teaching the same number of lessons overall (I'm full time) it would encompass many more different pupils. From an off-the-record chat I had with the Head Teacher, I feel that whether my colleague is granted flexible working wil depend largely on whether i agree to the impact on my role. Which puts me in an awful position! On a personal level, I can see why it'd be much better for my colleague to do 3 full days (childcare issues etc) but on a professional level I don't think the pupils will get the best deal. My own kids have been taught like this with a subject split between 2 teachers and tbh it threw up all kinds of problems. oh gawd...advice please. Part of me wants to champion the rights of working parents, but then I'm a working parent and i have rights too!!

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RedTartanLass · 15/02/2007 12:36

OMG what a predicament..can you chat with your colleague and explain your concerns about the potential problems that may the pupils. Is there any other teachers that "share" a class, can you have a word with them about their experiences.

I don't have any experience of split classes but maybe your experience with your LOs has biased your opinion.

I'd hate to be in your position and good luck, at least I've bumped it up for someone who may be able to help!!

mamma2kids · 15/02/2007 12:50

Do you work full time?

MrsWobble · 15/02/2007 12:58

is there no way that timetabling can accommodate if, for example, she worked mon, wed, fri? I appreciate that timetabling is already a massive logistical exercise and this may not work.

Alternatively, would it be better if she worked part time hours spread over 5 days? I appreciate that this might not be what she wants but if it is the only option would she consider it?

If I were in your position I don't think I would want to agree without at least pointing out to the school SMT the downsides for the children that you have mentioned.

Flexible working rules are designed to accommodate staff wishes wherever possible - as many previous posts have noted they are not a "right".

ebenezer · 15/02/2007 20:15

Yes, I'm full time. It would be feasible if my colleage returned on a part time basis but came in for part of each day and worked the actual times needed. But I can see that from her point of view this might not be possible - she's planning to use a nursery for childcare and might end up having to pay for all day care 5 days per week and only being paid for part time. But on the other hand, the rules say flexible working should be granted only when it doesn't have a negative effect, so I suppose according to this, she should come back full time or resign. Would appreciate any further views as this colleague is good at her job and I'd hate to see her go but i don't want to feel caught in the middle. dh incidentally is livid that the Head Teacher even had the conversation with me and made me feel that this woman's position might be affected by my view. He thinks it's a really unreasonable position for me to be put in and says I should refuse to teach shared classes and stick to my guns.

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Cloudhopper · 15/02/2007 20:22

Gosh - I do really feel for you and I think loads of people feel like you do, if that helps.

I would ask the question - would you rather have her back or another full time teacher who may not be as good.

If she comes back full time then she may well end up throwing in the towel.

My first instinct is to really persuade you to let her do it - I am part time and the difference it has made to my life is immeasurable.

But you do have needs too. Would this make life much harder for you, or is it just your concern for the kids?

smittenkitten · 15/02/2007 20:34

tricky one, but ultimately not all jobs can be split or done job share. if it materially impacts on your workloads and the kids' learning then it isn't proportionate for the benefit she gets (if that makes sense). if it's just about having a 20 mins handover and the kids won't be affected , then the benefit to her is worth the minor disruption.

you are perfectlt right to say you have rights to work/life balance too and shouldn't be taking on additional work to make her life easier!

ebenezer · 15/02/2007 20:56

well tbh the major disruption is that however much you try to liaise with a colleague (and there's precious little time for that in a school anyway) there would always be issues of continuity, making sure we don't duplicate any work or leave any gaps in the teaching. We'd be sharing at least 6 classes so we're talking about 180 pupils being affected. Plus it would increase my preparation load because teaching a geater number of pupils always needs more prep than teaching the same amount of lessons but with fewer different pupils. Plus more parents evenings cos I'd have more classes......you know the more i think about the more i feel like i'm in danger of being a doormat. Yeah, can see the pov that if she is made to return fulltime she might end up resigning, and a new teacher is an unknown. But i don't know how far a school should compromise just on the basis of 'better the devil you know...'

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Cloudhopper · 16/02/2007 09:34

I would say though that teaching is one of the few jobs where a great number of staff are part time, so is it worth talking to the head about ways they could minimise the impact on you?

Can they retimetable etc.?

ebenezer · 17/02/2007 00:24

Well i bit the bullet! Spoke to the Head Teacher today and explained that I'm not comfortable with the idea of compromising the quality of education by agreeing to shared classes. Also mentioned that it's unfair that i would incur an extra workload just to make her life easier (thanx smittenkitten you expressed that v well.)He was fine about it actually - said he could see my pov and that he also had some reservations about the splitting of teaching. Don't know what the outcome will be - suppose the governers discuss it now and decide what they will offer my colleague. DH says I've done the right thing, and as he pointed out, it's not as if my colleague def won't be offered part time work - they may agree to it but they'll decide on what hours rather than just letting her do 3 full days.

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NurseyJo · 17/02/2007 00:28

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