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Has going to HR made everything worse?

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UnhappyNeedHelp · 10/02/2016 20:37

I'm having problems at work that are seriously getting me down. For context, I'm 24 and have been in work for 3 and a bit years. I started my third job three months ago.

My manager has a reputation in the organisation for being difficult to work with. She's often described as rude, and she describes herself as 'grumpy'. At times, she can be aggressive and confrontational in her tone and manner. However, despite this, we do sometimes have a laugh and she can be very kind and thoughtful. I would say we do have quite a good working relationship.

It's the changeability that I find difficult to work with. She can be short and snap, for no apparent reason, leaving me nervous. She is also a huge perfectionist, micro managing me to the extent where nothing I do can leave the door unless she's seen and approved it. She expects me to micro manage processes in a similar way, which is not my nature and, in my humble opinion, also not really my job. She will often make changes to what I do seven or eight times, leaving quite harsh comments and abrupt criticism, which is having two effects; one being that my confidence is at an all time low and I have no faith in my ability to do my role, and the other being that work is being delayed and delivered late. I'm being criticised by her for my time management. I've mentioned this to her at catch ups and she has been supportive - but my work I've submitted since still isn't up to her standard.

I regularly take work home, work on the weekends and stay late most nights in the week, in an attempt to improve and win her approval. When she does give me feedback, I keep it and refer to it when preparing new pieces of work. She knows all this, and has seen me do so. I am trying so hard, and it's still not good enough.

This role is a step up from my last one, and I was so excited to start, but it's all just gone so horribly. For what it's worth, I excelled in my last position, there was never any real criticism of my work - of course constructive suggestions on how to improve, but nothing on this level. I was even praised personally by our old CEO for work on several of my projects.

On Friday I went to see HR for a confidential chat on the advice of another colleague in a different department, who witnessed me becoming very distressed at a mistake I'd made that I knew I would have to 'confess'. I told them that, despite a reasonably good working relationship, I felt demoralised and low.

Over the weekend I received several emails, one of which was in response the mistake. I found the emails intimidating, and saw HR first thing on Monday about them. However I decided not to take things any further.

Today, I was criticised for something very minor about 5 minutes after I walked in the door. As I say it was minor, but I just felt so ground down that I went to the loo and burst into tears. I was spotted by my boss' boss' boss, who was obviously concerned - and took me straight to HR. I was questioned as a 'new case' and told them pretty much everything I've said here. I said I couldn't be a mini version of my manager, and that despite working incredibly hard, I couldn't meet her expectations.

They spoke to my manager straight after and I saw her leaving looking upset. I was told she wasn't coming back for the afternoon. I was told that other things are going on, not just what's happening with me - it's 10% me apparently - and she needed some time. I'm glad, as I said we have a good relationship, and I hope she gets any extra support needed. Our line manager has told me not to worry and that, in the nicest possible way, it's not all about me.

But this is the bit that made me nervous - I've been asked to send examples of recent work to my boss' boss. As I say, my confidence is at an all time low anyway and I'm terrified what this means. What if they say it's shit?! I told them in the meeting that I believe my performance is being affected, as I'm so anxious. Why would they want to see my work?

I also mentioned after the meeting that all of this is making me feel worried. The response was 'if you've told the truth you have nothing to worry about. If you've lied then you do.' What does that kind of response mean? I'm scared that I've been made out to look a liar. But I'm not! I've been open about everything that's happened. I took advice from my mum, my boyfriend and confidentially from another manager on my team (who noticed something was up and gently asked me about it), and I've tried to do this all the right way.

I just feel like poor performance is going to be used against me, despite the fact my performance is poor because my confidence has been destroyed by my manager. I'm dreading seeing her again tomorrow and I'm wondering if i should just cut my losses and leave. I throw up daily from anxiety, can't sleep, don't eat properly and become tearful at the slightest thing (which doesn't help!).

As I said she's got a reputation for being difficult, and other colleagues are being very supportive - obviously I can't tell them what's happening with HR, but they know. A few have asked if everything is okay, and I've leaned on them in the past for support - I've been upset or anxious at work, and at times I've had tears in my eyes during meetings which happen straight after I've been criticised (see - tearful at the slightest thing!), which they must have noticed - and I'm worried that will be used against me too, and it'll be made out like I'm a trouble maker. Will they ask colleagues about me?

I'm not trying to start drama, in fact it feels like it's ruining my life. I'm young and junior and I think people feel sorry for me, in this situation which i'm obviously finding difficult so early on in my career. Two people came over with little pick me up gifts today, and another emailed offering a hug. I just want to get on, do well and be happy.

I just wondered if any of you had any advice on dealing with this kind of situation - just getting through the awful days, but actually long term too. Will it ever get any better? Thank you so much if you read this. I have never felt so low.

So as not to drip feed: I'm still technically on probation.

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UnhappyNeedHelp · 11/02/2016 00:16

Oh ebear - sounds like you're the perfect person to advise actually! Poor old you. Hope things get easier for you too.

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WicksEnd · 11/02/2016 00:30

I too think it's more likely they want to see your work to build a case against her, rather than you.
Hang on in there, you've done nothing wrong, she's a bully Sad

ToastedOrFresh · 11/02/2016 01:25

I agree with WicksEnd. When you supply examples of your work, where possible if it's appropriate could you describe the process/procedure/agreed standards or whatever is appropriate for the work that you have done ? That's only if they ask, by the way.

Sometimes a boss has asked me, 'why did you do it this way ?' To which I have given a procedure based answer which thy were satisfied with. They went off happy because they had a procedure to re-write which is a manager's job. No criticism of me. It was pretty much the equivalent of, 'just following orders, sir.'

You are already feeling undermined i.e. your confidence feels undermined, that's the real reason why you are wondering if the standard of your work is going to be called into question by those managers further up the line.

If you can back up the reasons why (if you are asked) you did work a particular way then you can feel confident with your answers. Even if it's a 'using my skills and experience' answer. A polite way of saying 'cause I felt like it !

When your confidence has been undermined a lot of things seem worse than they really are. Support from someone can sound like sarcasm etc.

Disaster scenarios, I understand, are for when one's confidence/self esteem is at an all time low.

Get on and tell the investigating bosses all about it. Both barrels. A manager could look at your work examples and say, 'there's nothing wrong with this.' If any minor flaws can be found then help, support and guidance is required. No criticism to the point of bullying where you are crying, staying late, not sleeping. Then making further errors due to anxiety. The investigating bosses have got your boss under the microscope. Do all you can to assist !

Just as a by the way and please don't worry about me using the phrase, 'exit interview'. To date, I've only ever had one exit interview. I was to cowed by a bullying boss to say my piece and I told the bloke that. Oh how I regret not giving him chapter and verse on her petty mindedness, favouritism, jingling bracelets (totally inappropriate for catering industry work) etc etc. Basically I should have told him anything and everything and walked back to my work smiling !

PoppieD · 11/02/2016 07:36

Morning UNH, hope you've managed to sleep ok and the wonderful, sage advice from posters has buoyed you up a bit for work today.

WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 11/02/2016 07:46

Sounds like they're gathering evidence to either undertake a disciplinary against her or even to get rid of her.

If it's the latter you have no worries. If it's the former and she stays then it will go one of two ways. It might be a wake up call for her and she might be genuinely remorseful and change her ways, or she might hold a grudge against you.

If it's the latter option then leave. It's not worth affecting your mental health and your confidence to this extent.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 11/02/2016 08:23

This may not help - but an X said to me "stop playing the victim" - I was stuck in the Bully/Victim roll and he was right - I didn't have to play a victim! I could be stronger and do what was right and not feel shit all the time. Gather the friends in the office and lean on them - explain how you feel - you don't have to go into the details of the case -

My X Manager moved departments.

CMOTDibbler · 11/02/2016 08:29

You are doing the right thing. DH was bullied by a manager who undermined him, criticised his work etc. He had a nervous breakdown in the end, and in that process was interviewed by HR about the circumstances, and the behaviour of his manager while he was off (shocking). The manager lost his job, dh kept his and has worked happily again since then (4 years now)

VintageTrouble · 11/02/2016 08:37

Ah OP she's a bully. She has probably been bullying other people, although will also have favourites at a guess which just makes you feel worse.

I had a boss like this - complete cock.

Even if you are making mistakes you are new in post and a manager should be seeing you through these and building your experience and capability. No one should ever be trying their best and be crying before they go into work.

They wouldn't let you carry on working in her team if you've made a grievance surely? If they do then I would request a move, if that isn't forthcoming then I would start looking else where.

You are clearly a conscientious and hardworking person - you'd be an asset anywhere!

UnhappyNeedHelp · 11/02/2016 08:50

Thanks all. Will reply in detail later. About to go in and pretty much paralysed with fear.

I just don't know what's waiting for me behind that door Sad

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MagpieCursedTea · 11/02/2016 08:51

Good luck OP, stay strong and remember she's in the wrong (I totally didn't mean that to rhyme Blush)

gamerchick · 11/02/2016 09:01

Everything you've said is your anxiety and low confidence talking. This is what bullying does when it finally grinds you to the floor. From what you've said its her that's under the spotlight not you. With a bit of luck she won't be in and if she is I would hazard a guess she will keep her head down today.

Some people have to look for something to criticise I believe and if they pick over the invisible then it's likely you're good at your job and she's a bit of a knob in general.

UnhappyNeedHelp · 11/02/2016 09:05

Wearing my nan's earrings today. She died in 2014 and we were really close. No one believed in me more than she did! Trying to harness that a bit.

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Finola1step · 11/02/2016 09:12

Good luck.

lorelei9 · 11/02/2016 09:16

Oh you poor thing
What a mare
I've been where you are but didn't involve HR. I moved on. I moved on from awful jobs twice in my 20s, one time I'd only done a month. Explaining at interviews was fine. Both jobs gave good references. So if it comes to that, please don't worry, this kind of thing has happened to me and others I know and it does not impede future success.

MuttonWasAGoose · 11/02/2016 13:24

Things can't get worse than they are. You may have to move on to another job, but that was already the case.

They may discipline her and yet nothing really changes. So you move on. Or, she may change her behaviour.... In which case things should improve.

You should be focusing on doing what the company pays you to do, not cowering and flinching in fear of this woman. If your employer can't see that and make it possible for you to do that, then that's their problem, not yours.

The very worst that can happen is they'll let you go before your probation is up. And in the long run, that's still better than your current situation. It will sting. A lot. But it's still better.

You are clearly a capable, dedicated employee. If they're unable to access and utilise what you have to offer, the problem lies with them.

UnhappyNeedHelp · 11/02/2016 17:54

Hi all. Today was actually relatively normal! (And yes - my letter went out fine Grin)

I've just kept my head down and got on. Nothing has been said to me about anything - is this normal?

Thanks again for all your help and support so far. It's really really helped.

Going to get a takeaway tonight to reward myself! Will think of you all as I eat it StarStarStar

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WhoTheFuckIsSimon · 11/02/2016 17:55

Is your boss still off?

UnhappyNeedHelp · 11/02/2016 18:17

No, back in - but working at a different site, which not unusual for this day of the week.

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Pancakeflipper · 11/02/2016 18:38

As the others have said - this is bullying.

You have done the right thing in going to HR. Because it wasn't going to get better. Whatever happens you can not continue like this.

I had a boss who was 'psychofrenic' in her style of leadership. One day I was doing everything brilliantly and just "oh so creative" and projects really marching forward. Next day she was whispering to the team how crap I was and how she was going to save my projects. Like you my confidence was eroded very slowly.

Make it stop now because I have found it hard to get my confidence back and find myself dithering whereas I was usually confident in my decisions.

I bet the management team know what she's like but never been able to 'prove' it and have someone speak out.

Lots of luck.
Enjoy the weekend.

CrystalSkull · 11/02/2016 19:44

Well done for speaking up, OP - your boss sounds like mine and I've lost count of the number of times I've ended up crying in the toilets. I'm leaving, so my boss will get away (again) with her bad behaviour. You are definitely doing the right thing, and you will get through it one way or another. Your colleagues sound lovely, too. Flowers

KMC1984 · 13/02/2016 13:05

I may have missed this somwhere during what has been said - so very sorry if I have. But have you at any point tried to speak to your boss directly about how you feel? It very well could be that she doesn't realise she came across the way she has.

Also your HR has said she has other things going on. Absolutly whatever they are should not be taken out on you. But she could be inncocent in this not realising how you have felt and maybe the right way forward would be for you both to sit down together with somone from HR involved you can both say how you feel and try to work a way forward.
Your manager is a person too and I'm sure she would be very distressed as well if she looked on here and saw so many people she doesn't know calling her a bully. I'm not at all trying to defend her actions or say it is ok for you to have felt how you have. But I'm trying to say there cold be a way forward where everyone can move on.

HermioneWeasley · 14/02/2016 08:55

OP, come back and let us know what happens next. You've had some good advice here and I hope it works out

JizzyStradlin · 14/02/2016 10:56

Another one who thinks it sounds like they've got a problem with her, not with you.

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