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I have graduated from university this year, I have a 2year old who is in childcare 2days a week and pregnant with my second. I am currently looking for opportunities to work from home.

[stopfaffing]

Good heavens, it sounds exactly like an MLM business doesn't it, mobious?

Loaded with huge figures and a fantastic-sounding income potential but sadly very skimpy on the actual product/service.

Certainly, you will never, ever get a person involved in an MLM telling you what they actually earn (because they very rarely make any income after costs taken out).

In fact from the description above I don't know what it is at all ... but I can guess, and it ain't good news for 99.9% of people who will involve themselves .

Please, please arm yourselves with knowledge about the reality of how MLMs operate.

There are other threads on mn which can educate you about the reality of MLMs.

[AJFsmummy]

I just can believe how much MLM people pounce on this poor woman trying to get money out of her to put in their own pockets.

Disgusting.

[LadyShirazz]

Don't worry, OP - we've got your back.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/a2477031-MLm-bot-watch-now-including-Timeless-Vie?msgid=57030271#57030271

You can link back to previous threads informing how not to work from home (i.e. MLM)...

[DreamingOfTheBeach]

Stay away from these mlm if you have any sense ( cam anyone link to the flbot threads)

Unless it's timeless vie, they are worth keeping an eye on
But seriously don't get involved unless you want to lose money and time.

[angryangryyoungwoman]

Dalida, how much do you make, exactly, per month, net, and how many hours do you work for that? Don't pm me, put it on here.

[Tiredemma]

The assumption that the rest of us with 'normal' jobs must be living shit lives, away from our children etc is really starting to boil my piss.

Im very happy in my job. I do not wish to spend my every waking hour at home with my kids.

I dont give a fuck about Olaf or Disney

[AJFsmummy]

No they just use this stay at home bullsch to be lazy

[Lucy253Day]

My husband works in Cyprus and we have two children, the youngest two so would like something I can do in the evening. I don't want to sell anything or have to spend money upfront.

[Annie65]

Read Merchants of Deception, powerful true story. That will make up your minds for you, hopefully to run a mile.

[lastuseraccount123]

someone I know got sucked into Stella & Dot - she was an architect but after having her babies was keen to stay home and earn some $$.

Like all MLMs, she did not make a lot of money and ended up leaving.

Avoid OP - you deserve better!

[Bovnydazzler]

I don't know the credentials of this website, and it's Herbalife not FL, but interesting average earnings shown. 57% make less than $299 (and it only includes people who have a 'downline'.
Well that income is easily eroded by training, pro planners, sample products...

iamherbalife.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/StatementOfAverageGrossCompensation.pdf

[Bovnydazzler]

I also think that it would be great if all MLMs should be forced to release equivalent data for each country in order to trade.., though understand data collection would be a nightmare.
I'd love to see the Forever Living UK stats.

On a different topic, re. Emma Cooper's 'castle', I presume it would be incredibly difficult to get a mortgage if you were involved in MLM, I don't know how you would go about proving your income (if there is any...)

[mobiusgeek]

In case of any extra doubt, this pretty analysis much sums it up for you based on: fourteen years experience in corporate consulting specifically in the distribution field and more than 10 years of research and writing about the MLM model. This has included serving as expert witness in state and federal court cases, corresponding directly with more than 1,500 participants, writing a book, being interviewed for local and national radio, television, newspapers and magazines, and carefully studying numerous MLM marketing and pay plans.

www.falseprofits.com/MLM%20Lies.html

[stopfaffing]

On another mn thread we were discussing an MLM operating in the USA, Vemma, which targeted college students. It was investigated after a huge number of complaints from parents after their children got sucked in were scammed. As part of the investigation, the receivers went over the Vemma's figures and here's what they found:-

The disclosure statement from the company (Vemma) is bad enough:-

In 2013 93.22% affiliates (98,115) earned less than $6,200
and .40% affiliates (421) earned more than $100,000.

But Stratification Analysis by the Receiver paints an even worse scenario:-

In 2013 99.45% affiliates (179,906) earned less than $6,200
and .03% (58) earned more than $100,000.

The 2014 figures are, percentage wise, more or less exactly the same - dismal.

Looking at the other analysis, it is shockingly clear how many people sucked in to this company actually lost money; the majority did not recoup their initial investment at all, let alone made any income.

A typical MLM then.

The full receivers report can be read below...

www.robbevans.com/assets/case-files/vemmareport01.pdf

[ChammyIRL]

AJFsmummy - not all people who decide to go down the MLM route end up out of pocket. As I said previously, up there points. I do mine as a hobby, side thing, blog content and am certainly not out of pocket...I've made back my sign-up cost and have a whole load of extra products that didn't cost me a penny ;)

Though, as it has been said many times before. There are other avenues and only go for an MLM if you truly like what you are selling (I happen to love mine) and you know that there is a risk that you won't ever make anything (but you also might).

[ChammyIRL]

Would also help if I realised there were now 2 pages to this thread and not one (I'm ill, that's my excuse and I'm sticking by it).

There are a lot of MLM horror stories and a lot of untruthful reps, I've experienced a couple with previous "less attacked" MLM (think "A" and grown up toys ;) ).

I would never promise anyone the world with mine, nor would I try and convince someone who clearly wasn't interested. I'm pretty transparent about what I do and until I joined them I was on the "All MLM/DS are a complete waste of time" bandwagon.

But, each to their own I suppose :)

[theweereadingneuk]

Hi, I work from home running my own card business on Etsy, and also working for Usborne Books at Home and School. My card business ticks over (I was especially busy in the lead up to Christmas) and the Usborne books is a great way to earn a little extra cash whilst getting to have lots of fun using the books with my own children. I am soon hoping to work within schools running fairs and doing events, all of which earn commission. I know there are so many different direct selling companies out there, but I find that Usborne are such a reputable company and find the books sell themselves :-) You have to find something that interests you, that you can become really passionate about. xx