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threat of redundancy whilst on maternity leave - help!!

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taylormama · 18/10/2006 17:31

hi - on Monday i got a letter from my line manager advising me that my post is at risk of redundancy. This is the first i have heard of it and am shocked to say the least. I have a feeling it is a sham redundancy tho' - i have no idea what my rights are except i have been told as it is a possible redundancy i have to go back to have the consultation process with them. I don't particularly want to go back to work and i think the way they have handled it has been poor to say the least - i didn't even get a phonecall just a letter. I feel that this is an unacceptable way to treat me. I am going back to work on 1 dec. I have had 6 months stat maternity leave and 1 months annual leave (i haven't taken additional maternity leave). Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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taylormama · 19/10/2006 13:28

thanks all - tribpot i will try that link thanks. I have no intention of going back early. If they want to speak to me or hurry the process up they can contact me. I have taken some legal advice but i need to have more info from my employers which is why i have to go back Lulumama - what's up with babylulu?
xxxx

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lulumama · 19/10/2006 13:29

babylulu- teething, viral, cold, sore throat ( croaky little cry! ) just not well....

taylormama · 19/10/2006 14:57

spoke to a very helpful lady at the working families group and basically i already have a valid grievance against my employers for how they have conducted the process so far and that is just for starters. May also have a case for unfair selection for redundancy, sex discrimination and failure to consult appropriately on my redundancy. Phew ... have to go back to kick start it all but they feel i do have a pretty valid case ... thanks for all the support - will keep you posted. Lulumama - give extra kisses and calpol to babylulu from Taylor B (rockstar) - he is sad she is poorly and wished her better soon (and so do i) xxxxxx

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tribpot · 19/10/2006 14:58

Glad they were helpful - still don't see why you have to go back to work to start the process? (Although you are going back on 1 Dec anyway?)

taylormama · 19/10/2006 15:27

if i don't then it complicates things re entitlements etc. I am due back on 1 December so only a few weeks. Thanks for the link. They were so helpful.

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lulumama · 19/10/2006 16:30

bump

for some more of your wonderful & caring advice for my lovely sister....thank you all......

lulumama · 19/10/2006 18:02

bump

and TM --look at meet ups - thread started for mums in loughton...

taylormama · 19/10/2006 18:45

thanks LM - how is babylulu - please send kisses. xx

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lulumama · 19/10/2006 18:50

will do,..she is sleeping for now....have done a link to this thread in tonight's virtual bar! really feel for you.....

headonaspiker · 19/10/2006 19:30

taylormama - looks like you've had lots of good advice so I won't repeat it. I am in diffent situ as although I'm on mat leave too I want to be made redundant but the buggers won't pick me. However, did want to tell you about my friend who got made redundant just before she went on mat leave. Only they did it so badly she couldn't tell if she was employed/redundant/sacked! She hired a lawyer and laughed all the way to the bank. And then all the way to the bahamas.

Jealous, moi?

Judy1234 · 19/10/2006 21:20

I think you need to return to work and then do what you've been told to do to challenge. Employers are often reluctant to pick the person on maternity levae to redundancy as it's assumed it's sex discrimination so they're less likely normally to pick the person on maternity leave.

Will your job cease to exist? Is it a proper redundancy situation? Is there no work of that kind left for you to do?

lulumama · 19/10/2006 21:32

Xenia- i am Taylormama;s sister..from what i understand...there are 3 people in her department and she is the only one at risk....after an exemplary record with them too...

lulumama · 19/10/2006 21:42

last bump for tonight ladies

TIA!

lulumama · 19/10/2006 22:04

By CountTo10 on Thursday, 19 October, 2006 10:03:14 PM
I would strongly advise you to get some good legal advice on this because as far as I understand it and somerset mum's details seem to underline this, it is virtually impossible to make someone on maternity leave redundant without a very very good and watertight reason!! What you need to make sure is that you are fully aware of your rights and the possibilities (i.e. tribunal, pay offs etc) before you go in with your company to consult with them on it so you are not bullied into anything or made to feel insecure about any of it. I hope it all works out - what a horrible time for this to happen (hmmm not that any time is a good one!!!)
By somersetmum on Thursday, 19 October, 2006 9:56:42 PM
Automatically unfair dismissal arising from redundancy during maternity leave
An employee will have a claim for automatically unfair dismissal under the ERA s.99 if she is selected for redundancy where the only or principal reason for her dismissal is a reason related to her pregnancy, the birth of her child or the fact that she is taking maternity leave.

If an employee on maternity leave is to be made redundant (for whatever reason) and there is a suitable available vacancy, the employer must offer it first to the woman on maternity leave. This is a rare case where legislation requires a form of positive discrimination. If an employer does not comply with regulation 10 of the Maternity and Parental Leave Regulations 1999 (MPLR) an employee will have a claim for automatically unfair dismissal under the ERA s 99. (See ).

Regulation 10 of the MPLR 1999 states:

This regulation applies where, during an employee's ordinary or additional maternity leave period, it is not practicable by reason of redundancy for her employer to continue to employ her under her existing contract of employment.
Where there is a suitable available vacancy, the employee is entitled to be offered (before the end of her employment under her existing contract) alternative employment with her employer or his successor, or an associated employer, under a new contract of employment which complies with paragraph (3) (and takes effect immediately on the ending of her employment under the previous contract).
The new contract of employment must be such that -
a the work to be done under it is of a kind which is both suitable in relation to the employee and appropriate for her to do in the circumstances, and

b its provisions as to the capacity and place in which she is to be employed, and as to the other terms and conditions of her employment, are not substantially less favourable to her than if she had continued to be employed under the previous contract.

ERA = Employment Rights Act

TM - these were on your other thread

taylormama · 20/10/2006 10:33

aaah thanks Ladies - you Mumsnetters are fab . Xenia - i don't believe it is a genuine redundancy. They have said in the letter that my duties will be split between 2 other employees so they have admitted my duties still exist. I truly believe that the only reason i have been selected is because i have been on mat leave. There are no suitable vacancies for me - and they know this. Lulumama - how is baby L this morning. Baby T was up at 2.30 am for a feed (he only had 3 oz of milk before bed little tinker!!!!!!!) ... and where is this virtul bar you speak of????

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 13:36

Babylulu much better thankfully....she had no milk before bed, but stayed asleep for 12 hours...clearly quite tired...

virtual bar is open, on the chat thread in the evenings....pop in!

taylormama · 20/10/2006 13:39

aaah little sweet thing! Glad she is better. Feeling a bit still ... maybe see you at the bar later - make mine a G & T (large)xxxxxx

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taylormama · 20/10/2006 13:39

aaah little sweet thing! Glad she is better. Feeling a bit still ... maybe see you at the bar later - make mine a G & T (large)xxxxxx

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lulumama · 20/10/2006 13:40

okey doke...DH out tonight ( 5th night in a row...!) so will be mumsnetting tonight! kisses to Taylor B ( rockstar)

Judy1234 · 20/10/2006 20:17

They should have probably got temporary cover whilst you were on maternity leave. It looks very badly handled and not that hard for you to claim if you were made redundant. Go back and they may change their minds.

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