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Any mums work in the theatre?

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Lilwelshyrs · 30/10/2014 21:56

Hi all,
We're still TTC #1 so it's early days (it's going to take a while as I have PCOS).
I work in the theatre which is long and anti-social hours. I've finally found a job where the hours aren't as long and I can do just the shows.
It's a job I can do whilst pregnant too. What I'm wondering is if there are any mums who also work in the theatre?

From my experience, there aren't many working theatre mums, which makes me think it doesn't work Hmm

I love my job and apart from becoming a barmaid I have no other skills...!

Anyone out there in a similar position or have any experience in this?

Cheers!

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Theatreworker · 01/11/2014 12:59

Have namechanged for this as theatre is a fairly niche area and I post a lot of possibly identifiable stuff under my usual user name. I work in theatre although not customer facing so I work office hours, rather than the more usual shift pattern. In my experience over the years, it is very difficult to combine any kind of theatre supervision/management with being a parent. I know lots of theatre managers, deputies, BO managers etc and very few have continued past having children. Childcare is very difficult to find even if you have a fixed shift pattern because the finish is just too late for nurseries, childminders etc. People only manage if they have a stay at home partner or perhaps grandparents who can help.

Obviously you can apply for, and be granted, flexible working but that still doesn't remove the need for some late evenings or weekend working. You can't expect to only work days (which is not when theatre is busy) or not work weekends. Most large theatre companies are becoming very conscious of staff costs and are cutting back wherever possible so there just aren't sufficient others who can cover all shows and it will lead to resentment if you can't do your fair share.

I have only known one single parent who managed to keep working through her child's entire childhood and that was achieved only with considerable financial and practical (think, frequent overnight stays etc) with grandparents.

Sorry not to be the bearer of better tidings but I think it's best to be realistic. If you have customer experience and bar skills, could it be possible for you to get some kind of HR, customer experience, retail, buying role etc within your company? Obviously, this only works if the company is one of the few large ones in the country.

Lilwelshyrs · 01/11/2014 16:01

Thank you for your response. It's sort of what I feared. I work backstage so I can't even transfer my skills to box office type stuff.
It's a shame that theatre doesn't support working mums and it's precisely why it's a male dominated industry. Even if there was a crèche that was for theatre mums, it doesn't exactly work for DC to sleep there and then be moved to go home at 11pm... And like you say, most childminders don't stay that late which is fair enough.
I guess that's where an au pair would come in... But my pay doesn't support a child AND live in help...

Problem is, I cannot work out what else id rather do... I've been working in the theatre since I was a teenager and have tried to do other things (with family and wanting evenings off in mind!) but have struggled to find something that pays well or that people will take me with skills that are completely irrelevant to the job available :-/

Sadly my wage won't support DH to be a SAHD (although he would love this opportunity!).
I'm a bit stubborn on this, though. I'd love to try and make it work - there needs to be more female technicians!

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ThinkIveBeenHacked · 01/11/2014 16:05

What sort of shift pattern does your dh do?I dont work.in theatre, however do have frequent 11pm finishes / 7am starts and DH is the childcare then. He finishes work and picks dcs up from childcare at five and does all the normal at home stuff, then drops them back at childcare the following morning before going to work.

Does he have a regular (and not too late) finish time?

Lilwelshyrs · 01/11/2014 16:39

Sadly not! He too works in theatre and has recently gone freelance. He has started working in a carpentry workshop which is more 9-5 but will still need late finishes every now and then.

I guess something needs to be sacrificed to have a family life I want really! It's a shame there's no way around child care whilst working in the theatre.
It's a skill I'll always have so could do something part time to support myself that works around kids better and once they're older, I can go back into it more.

One of the venues I work in is so supportive of M2B and the guys bend over backwards so that those who freelance there regularly will qualify for maternity leave.

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Theatreworker · 02/11/2014 23:55

I feel your frustration but I think it's a bit unfair to say that theatre doesn't support working mums. At the end of the day, people want to go to the theatre in the evening and at weekends and there is no way of getting around the fact that venues have to be fully manned (and wo-manned) front and back of house during unsociable hours. It's not just mums who suffer either, dads do too - or indeed anyone who doesn't fancy constantly missing out on social engagements with friends/family. Some professions just don't lend themselves to regular, family-friendly hours - airlines/pubs are others.

Lilwelshyrs · 03/11/2014 22:42

Theatreworker - I don't get your point?
I understand there are many other professions that are anti social. I work in theatre hence the query.
You start by saying that it's unfair to say that theatre doesn't support working mums, but don't go on to say how it does?
And yes, it's the same for dads too - my DH works in the theatre also and will struggle with working and juggling family life.
As I said in my previous post, one venue I work in is particularly supportive, and thankfully our work colleagues are fab and will do their best to help us out.
I work 6 days a week - plus two matinees. How exactly can you fit putting a child to bed every night and commute to work? You can't. Short of employing help full time, or a live in nanny - we don't get paid nearly enough for that!

It's not about not "fancying missing out on social engagements"... I'm very much used to that! It's been my life for long enough. But seeing your kids go to bed isn't a social engagement...
I get that it's not family friendly - but why can't it be?! Like I said before, this is exactly why there are not enough working mums or females in the industry!

Should we just go through a list of careers that we mustn't dedicate our lives to in case we decide we want a family?
Or should we scrap everything we have worked for since we were teenagers to have a family?
What does that teach our kids? That women are souly useful for creating life but unable to have the career of their choice?
What about female doctors and nurses? Surely they must struggle too?

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FinDeSemaine · 03/11/2014 23:16

How can it be made family friendly? Genuine question. I used to work backstage before children, too, but made the decision to work in another area before I had a child as I was well aware that it simply wasn't compatible because of the hours. DH still works in theatre (freelance) but quite honestly I can do other things and he can't (I appreciate that this isn't the case for everyone). Also, I was not prepared to give up seeing my child in the evenings/after school and putting her to bed every night. Thankfully, now that he's freelance, he often gets weekdays at home and is able to do the school run etc and spend time with her. It was very difficult when she was younger and he was still in the West End. She genuinely did not know him very well (and didn't like him much as a consequence).

While it could be possible to spend time with your child while it is still a baby and work in theatre, it would be the case once the child is school age that you simply would not see him or her (maybe not at all if doing Sunday shows). What would be the point of that? I don't see how it would be nice for any of you. It was one of the major factors in DH going freelance, which thankfully has worked out really well.

I suppose the only way to continue working in theatre is to find a job in a similar/related field with family friendly hours until your child is an adult, if it's really that important to you. I worked in Wardrobe and know quite a few mothers who became makers, dyers, milliners etc after children.

As you say, on eight shows a week, you cannot be involved in raising your child in a sufficiently hands on way. And even if you could have a nanny, would you really want your child never to be put to bed by you, to never see you after school, to never be able to spend an evening with you (bar once a week)? You wouldn't be able to help with homework, go to parents evenings, take holiday over Christmas (so would need childcare then) etc etc etc.

I suppose if there were more jobshares available, it would become more possible. But would that really be fair to the rest of the company? I know most performers wouldn't like for instance having two different dressers on different days. That kind of thing is a very personal relationship. Not sure about Stage Management but I can see it being a bit disruptive having two people sharing a show job. LX might be better for this than any other area bar FOH. Freelancing is probably the best option for your situation, depending on your field - this would probably require you to work a lot of weekends and you'd need either a supportive partner who is available at weekends or nearby family.

As for female doctors and nurses, none of them will be working exclusively in the evenings/weekends as there will be a shift pattern so they will get time at home when their children are awake as well as having to work sometimes at night or other anti-social hours. Plus part-time work is more viable. And doctors earn a lot more than theatre technicians so can presumably make more use of nannies etc. Nurses can go part-time and do family-compatible hours only, I presume, this keeping their skills up for a return to more hours in the future.

I don't think au pairs would work for you. I can't see most of them wanting a job where they can never go out in the evening. On a shift pattern like doctors or nurses, it might be more viable as they might only be doing nights every other week or something (sorry, not sure of details of medical shift patterns).

Re requesting flexible working - you can request but there is no requirement to grant it. And who would want an employee who was never ever available at the busiest times?

theatreworker · 03/11/2014 23:32

I get that it's not family friendly - but why can't it be?! I don't know, what are your suggestions for making it family-friendly? What would work for you while still meeting the needs of the business?

My point about it being unfair to say that theatre doesn't support working mums is that by saying that you seem to suggest that it is a matter of theatre companies not wanting to support them. Maybe there is an element of that in some companies, but I genuinely believe that in many cases they can't support them as employees might wish because the rigid timings of shows mean they need most people working right when you need to be putting your child to bed. There's really no way round that, is there? Even on matinee days, one of those matinees is on a Saturday when childcare is still difficult to find.

Yes, doctors and nurses struggle too but at least they can vary their days of work and shift patterns to do early/lates so although childcare is still a nightmare at least they get to do some story/bedtimes. No-one wants to go to the theatre at 10 a.m. on a Monday morning though.

The company I work for is generally very good about agreeing flexible working, job shares etc but if your issue is around childcare and your partner's work also not allowing him to cover evenings then even that isn't going to work for you, is it? Would you consider a job share where you are doing perhaps 3 evenings and one matinee and your dh agrees to keep those evenings free so he does nursery/CM pickup and bedtime?

Lilwelshyrs · 03/11/2014 23:35

This is exactly the problem - which is why I was curious if anyone had done it.

I think freelancing is the better option rather than working in the west end.
I honestly can't work out how theatre could be made to be more child friendly and family friendly. Short of living in the venue!
And of course I don't want to not see my child every night or attend parents evening, or make my kids dinner...
It's sad that there is no provisions for parents. you can dedicate your early life to making a career in theatre only to give it all up.
As I have said in my previous posts, it's something I have to sacrifice - my career - to have a family.
What is super frustrating is that my skills don't transfer across to a lovely 9-5 job. I'm a theatre lighting technician. There's not many places that need one of them lol.

And no, they wouldn't do a reduced hours thing - and why would they? There's plenty of people who want to work in my position and continuity is key.

I wonder if theatres could provide a maintainance role for mums? I sure as hell can fix a lot of lights! Perhaps warehouse work with optional corporate work...

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FinDeSemaine · 03/11/2014 23:45

DH is a theatre lighting technician. Freelance has worked fine for him. Or get a job at White Light or similar, perhaps. You could freelance doing plenty of ins and outs at weekends if you have the contacts and a supportive partner/family. DH currently in Tel Aviv putting Cats in and earning a v decent wage.

monkey2014 · 02/01/2015 11:23

I'd be really interested to speak to you about what you find out! I'm in a similar position, baby due this year and I'm trying to work out if I can still do anything even vaguely related to theatre. My husband does a weird shift pattern which means as far as I can see casual zero hours stuff is going to be best for me...I think! In reality I think I will do any job I can find that means we all get to spend time together and then try and get back into it later, but completely agree with you that it feels like throwing it away after working so hard since teenage years. I've also only ever worked in theatre so it's hard to know how to navigate other job 'worlds' or even know what sort of thing is possible.

Bramshott · 02/01/2015 11:34

Is there any sort of sideways move you can make?

I work in another performing arts area, and switched from working with a company to working for a Festival, which means that for 1 month of the year I am insanely busy / away from home, but the rest of the time I am around and work regular hours. I do more computer-based admin than I used to though.

blueshoes · 02/01/2015 11:46

Oops, I thought you meant operating theatre ...

Giltz · 03/01/2015 04:06

Hi. I am a working theatre mum(back stage)I don't work in the west end, work a job that covers 43 hours a week with occasional extra hours and I have managed it for the last 5 years. I have a very supportive husband this helps. The down sideI have found is that when my dc started school I started to miss things like christmas shows, sports days and chatting with the other mums at school pick up time. I am just about to go back to work after having dc2 and it is very much suck it and see I would like to think it will be the same but you never know.

saintlyjimjams · 03/01/2015 04:20

Chaperoning monkey? The chaperones I know seem free to turn down jobs & an understanding of the way a show works seems essential to the job.

Or freelance whatever it is you already do?

Lilwelshyrs · 15/02/2015 09:57

Sorry, I didn't see these extra replies!
I think working in the west end is probably the easiest option, tbh... I might not get to put DC to bed at night, but perhaps spending all day with them will make that bearable :)

And yes, freelancing is an option still. The other option would be to become a technician in a school - then your work is mostly school hours and you get half terms and school holidays off :)

I have thought of sideways moves, but I literally can just do the physical lighting stuff - rigging, show cues, follow spot... Plus I love that hands-on stuff...!

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AmericasTorturedBrow · 16/03/2015 05:14

I'm a director and it's tough. Mainly because, like you, I don't want to do anything else and I feel I have no transferable skills.

We moved abroad when I had DC2 and I haven't worked in 3 years Sad

MrsHooolie · 16/03/2015 22:00

I work in the theatre although I'm a musician so similar unsociable hours. I would say a large majority of musicians have live in Au Pairs,however that's usually when both are musicians and out 6 nights out of 7.
DP isnt a musician so we had a babysitter who would come to our house.If you find the right person who can be flexible then it can work really well.

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