Who do I work for

[Mgf1953]

Employment advice.

I have been working for the same firm for the past 26 years as a Manager. Eight years ago my firm outsourced the team I was managing but at the time kept me in a slightly different role. The outsource firm has had many issues fitting in and recently my line boss suddenly left and I was left with no manager. Over the past 8 years I have had to continually induct new managers for the out source firm as they seem not to be able to keep any staff for long.

Any way recently a partner met up with me, after the pleasantries he got to the point and said no one could manage me and thought that I should be managed by the manager of the out source firm and the same firm I was always seen as a client representative between my firm and the outsource firm, he went on to say that they should also manage my holidays and sickness or HR issues, lastly he say that I should look after all health and safety.

It looks like to me that they ( my firm ) know I have only 4 years left and are not interested in me or see me as a asset with 26 years experience but rather a lack of interest and a problem for them.

I am happy to be flexible and I know it's hard out there, I could not get the same job at my age , I need to work for my pensions and grandchildren I help with. I also love working and have been committed to my firm for over a quarter of a century. It saddens me that my firm no longer make me feel wanted

I have problems with this suggestion, they are really about pride and respect but important to me

They want me to be managed by a sub contractor to the firm

I feel that I would be taking a step backwards and my position would be diminished

I am more experienced than any of the sub contractors

In the last 8 years I have worked with them and supported them, trained them etc

I don't mind continuing this but I can't be managed by them it doesn't fit, they have a new site manager every year

I was always the one who represented the client and reported to a senior manager of the main firm on them

I am sure they can find a way to force me to work this way but can I raise my concerns which are all about my pride and position as seen as a Senior Manager

Also I wrote a letter some two years ago outlining my fears of maybe suffering due to a bacteria outbreak caused by no maintenance and for nearly three years breathing this in at high levels without my knowledge in my office room- I only brought my fears to the attention of the then CEO who completely in his response by email to me categorically said we never had bacteria even though I was instructed to get it cleaned up at a cost of 60 K, have the independent lab reports and all the correspondence etc, I took no further action as I thought it better to work my time out than go down a complaint route etc. He no longer works for us and left a month ago so I feel this change has been forced on them and they don't know how to deal with me.

1. Can I be forced to work and take instructions by a sub contractor that I am not in contract with ?

1. Can I make a grievance and still keep my job if I don't win?

1. Do I have to sign a new contract?

1. If I have to continue can I say I do under protest?

1. Should I formally write and explain that while I understand the need for change and am happy to work with them but I feel that the reporting new structure would embarrass and cause upset to my position I have held for 26 years

Apologise for such a long post

What reasons did he give for saying no one could manage you? Is it structural, because your role doesn't fit in with the current organisation, or is it behavioural.

To clarify: you work for company A, who subcontract some work to company B, and company A has indicated that they would like you to be employed by company B?

Is company A making your position redundant? This would apply as long as they don't plan to fill the role with someone else. If they are making you redundant then you should receive a redundancy payment. Calcs are something like 1 week's pay for every year's employment (1.5 for every week after you are 40?). Don't take my word for it - check online.
Are you being transferred to B under the TUPE regulations? Again, you can check if this meets the TUPE criteria. If it does, you will retain certain rights when you join company B.

I recommend you get proper legal advice to ensure you are treated fairly and within the law.

That should read: "1.5 week's day for every year worked after you are age 40". (I told you not to take my word for it!)