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Advice on Counselling due to work stress

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stihlhere · 17/09/2014 19:49

I am after some advice for a very dear friend who is having an awful time at work. Her working conditions have deteriorated over the last two years to the point where her role is becoming difficult to manage. Her personal problems which are discussed in private with the directors are discussed in earshot of all her colleagues. I could write a whole essay on what has gone on.

She recently went to the doctors as she was feeling very down. The doctor asked about work and was told about everything that was going on. The doctor wanted to sign her off with work stress for two weeks and reassess after as to whether she should have more time. She declined to be signed off as she was worried she wouldn't have a job to go back to. All of this was discussed with her line manager so they are aware of the pressure being placed on her.

As she declined being signed off the Doctor recommended that she attends a group counselling session to help her. She has signed up to these and has just started. Unfortunately the sessions take place in the afternoons. So she spoke again with her line manager, who having spoke with the directors, has informed her these sessions have to be taken as holiday. So she works through her lunch (5.5hrs without a break) leaves mid afternoon for the sessions and has to take the remaining 1.5 hrs out of her holiday entitlement. I think the course is for ten weeks.

Can they do this? Her counsellor has said that the stress is work related and they are aware at work but have made no efforts to improve her situation. She has always had to give up her lunch hour if she has doctors or dentist, whereas everyone else is given an hour for medical appointments. We also had two members of staff off long term sick who were on full pay the entire time. She feels they are trying to push her out, and having left myself due to low level bullying I can't feel but agree with her.

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stihlhere · 17/09/2014 20:58

is anyone else forced to take medical appointments as annual leave?

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EBearhug · 18/09/2014 00:09

I saw a counsellor during work time, and after discussing it with my manager, it was agreed that it would be okay as long as I made the time up (which I did). It was down to his discretion, though, and wasn't a formal agreement.

maggiethemagpie · 19/09/2014 18:37

They don't have to give her paid leave. They could offer her unpaid leave, or the opportunity to make the time up. If other people are given appointments paid and she is not though, it is a victimisation issue.

Ellypoo · 20/09/2014 00:16

Does she know for definite that other people have different treatment for appointments etc? If there is proof, then can she go to HR or her bosses boss for support? Especially if her doc note etc site work related stress?

Preciousbane · 20/09/2014 00:25

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stihlhere · 20/09/2014 11:09

Know for certain that there is no consistency in the way medical appointments are paid. I use to do the payroll when I worked there. Employees off sick on full time when everyone including the directors say they are skiving. No consistency, no work policies or procedures. No written contracts. There's no HR, the HR is overseen by the financial director.

The whole company is very much run, those who the directors like get to do whatever they like. Those who get on with their work and don't flirt and hero worship don't get anywhere.

Feel very sorry for her as it's so obvious to everyone she is the company scapegoat Sad

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fascicle · 20/09/2014 13:03

Unfortunately the counselling is not going to change your friend's poor working environment and unsupportive management. Is she looking at other jobs/employers? Any chance that she could come to a favourable exit agreement with her company?

stihlhere · 20/09/2014 14:26

I've advised her to join a union and get some advise from them. The company unfortunately would not agree to an exit agreement. It's very much put up and shut up.

I understand there is very little she can do. I'm just horrified at the things that they have put her through. We are all keeping an eye out for her for a new position.

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EBearhug · 20/09/2014 14:33

Be aware that a union may not help with existing issues; with mine, you have to have been a member for at least 3 months as a general rule (there are some exceptions.) It's like insurance - you can't claim for something you weren't covered for before it happened.

EBearhug · 20/09/2014 14:40

If I were her, I think I'd take the GP's offer to sign me off, and spend the time updating my CV, LinkedIn profile and so on. I'd also make sure I had copies of my work contract, staff handbook, disciplinary procedures etc, and any mails or other notes and correspondence relating to her problems at work, plus anything else relevant, such as mails changing deadlines or adding new requirements (i.e. add to the stress.)

It's not likely to improve, so she needs to look out for herself - no one else there is going to.

stihlhere · 20/09/2014 14:41

I just thought by joining a union she would have someone on her side and might make the company back off and start treating her fairly.

It's frustrating that employers can ride roughshod over people's health and feelings. We spend such a huge amount of our lives at work its horrible when it's an unhappy experience.

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EBearhug · 20/09/2014 14:47

It's worth joining a union anyway - mine has a big online information resource about employment law and so on, which is open to all members. They may be willing to represent her anyway - but I can also see why people who have been members for longer should get more support than those who only sign up once they're in trouble.

stihlhere · 20/09/2014 16:31

Thank you EBearhug I'll pass on your suggestions. I have told her to request all meetings taking place in future with her manager minuted

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EBearhug · 20/09/2014 17:29

Even if they don't agree to minute them (I know someone this has happened to, "Oh, it's just an informal chat, and anyway, if you've time to minute everything, you haven't got enough work on,") then she should write good notes herself. (Include date, times and who said what.)

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