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Does this role exist in large organisations? What's it called? ... and how would you propose it to your current employer?

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1981 · 22/05/2014 20:55

I work in a very large, albeit fairly newly formed, organisation. As a result,we have fairly immature processes - some of which were put in place during crisis mode as we exploded in size and worked to meet our initial product launch deadline. Think in terms of: lots of critical operations outsourced or lay with external vendors, and most departments have doubled or even tripled in the space of a year, most in-house staff tenure is under a year, etc. At this employer, every department is set up on a supply line (P&L) basis.

The problems resulting from our huge expansion and immature processes (at all levels) are numerous.

Low morale has been highlighted as a recognised issue at the last staff update (as an area management will be focusing on), and turnover/having to resort to contractors to plug staffing gaps is noticeably worse than the industry norm.

One of the sources of some of the bigger issues is that everyone is working in silos - I've heard this flung at every employer I've worked at, but here it's scarily, scarily so. Different departments have wildly different ways of doing things, creating lots of busy work, stepping on each others toes, missed opportunities, and a bit of a blame culture as people defensively put up barriers around their "part" of the business unit.

An example of this from my own department: Team A needs ad hoc, complex, manually produced reports to feed into their operations reporting. This is created by Team B. In turn, the actual raw data is obtained from Team C. Except Team A, B and C all present the data in different ways, meaning throughout the delivery pipeline, humans have to spend a lot of time translating the data/manipulating it but adding no real value to the end consumer of the report (Team A). It also introduces significant potential for error. I can't provide an actual example without outing myself, as it's so specialised - but think of it in terms of Team A working on £s, Team B working in Euros, and Team C working in $s - yet the figure Team A cares about is the relative cost of products, not their actual value - and all this pointless work is done in converting the currency values as each team does their "bit".

Another example - today I found out that a department next to mine has hired specialised training for their team in something, as a "new sort of training we could offer in the company"... yet I know another department on the floor above us had something similar done a month ago, and there were places available, because a friend of mine asked if I'd like to go along to fill up bums on seats!

Another example, when Purchase Orders get raised, we log them in 6 (yes, six!) different systems. As a result, people try and take shortcuts, opening up larger ones than they need ("to use the leftovers the next time I need one for that supply line"), which ties up funds for weeks. (It's not against the rules, it's just bad practice as budgets look spent but they're not.)

I could name so many inefficiencies at this company, and I'd like to do something about them. At the moment, everyone's so busy doing their "actual" job that I don't see anyone really making progress in sorting out these types of company-wide inefficiencies. I don't even know if it's anyone's role to be focusing on sorting out these types of things, cross-teams/cross-functions... as a Middle Manager myself, I don't see anyone obvious other than Senior Managers, who are so far removed from the ground work that they probably wouldn't know about half of them if you asked.

So, I was thinking about this on the train home this evening. Normally I guess this sort of thing would be highlighted by super expensive Management Consultants (from what little I know of them), but surely there are organisations that have.. well, overarching business improvement staff?

Does anyone know if such a role exists? Do you have any experience of this sort of thing in your organisation? What would they be called? Internal consultants of some sort? Or do we just have bad Senior Management and I'm expecting too little of them?

Senior Management have made it clear that they want to reduce staff turnover, increase morale, reduce "working in silos", increase productivity, and I see this as a real gap in the company I'm in.

I've no idea if I'd even want to do such a role even if anyone listened to my suggestion.. but how would you go about proposing this sort of thing? My own line manager is a "get in a 9am, watch the clock, out the door by 5" type woman (nice but just not interested in making waves), so should I go to her boss (the MD!)? Or should I put together some sort of proposal documentation and set up a meeting to run through it with HR?

Basically, I think I see this gap but I don't know where to take it :( Or even if it's a good idea - because surely they'd have already tasked someone with these sort of "efficiency" tasks across departments - it must be someone's job already here?

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TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 22/05/2014 21:04

I used to work for a business owned by GE and I think they ONLY employed people like this. Grin Google 'lean leadership' and 'six sigma' - sorry am BF and typing one handed but that might be a start. This was a few years ago though.

tb · 22/05/2014 21:06

Used to be called O&M, Organisation & Methods, or Time & Motion, and was part of the personnel department. Is that the sort of thing you're thinking of?

They came around when I was working at Cadbury's packing Christmas puddings during the hottest summer on record. The chargehand took 15 mins to change the roll of paper, when normally she did it in 10, so that each shift could have 5 mins longer on their tea break. Happy days of a TGWU closed shop. Not.

RhondaJean · 22/05/2014 21:09

Perhaps it would come under organisational development?

fingersonbuzzers · 22/05/2014 21:11

I used to do this kind of thing in the public sector - in my day it was called continuous improvement and a lot of specialisms were involved - research, process mapping, business analysis all that kind of stuff.

You don't state what kind of organisation you work for, but the public sector roles I did were for a frontline service and a civil service dept and the roles in both organisations were part of their 'headquarters' corporate centre functions.

PrincessOfChina · 22/05/2014 21:11

I work as a Change and Communication Manager as part of a Business Process Excellence function. I think others in our function (their title is often something like Business Process Owner or Champion or Manager) would be in the role you describe.

WorkingBling · 22/05/2014 21:13

Surely this is something that would fall under operations so perhaps a COO role? The problem of course is that the coo needs a team, and authority, to get stuff done and implement new processes.

WipsGlitter · 22/05/2014 21:14

Agree with tondelay. DP is a six sigma black belt and this is pretty much what he does. Sort interdepartmental work processes.

nulgirl · 22/05/2014 21:14

Most big companies have teams that look at process improvement. As another poster said there are methodologies you can follow like six sigma but a lot of it is common sense and you have already started thinking about problems and solutions.

Why don't you draft a mini business case stating where the problems are and what the benefits would be to resolving them. It wouldn't normally be HR who deal with this kind of things anymore - Ops, general manager, COO teams are more likely.

Drquin · 22/05/2014 21:17

We have a team called "business transformation". Sounds like they do what you're suggesting - come into various parts of the business and help make changes that the department / group manager can't afford to take out to do because he or she is as busy doing "the day job.

Agree with pp, depending on your industry, "six sigma" and "lean" might be areas worth investigating.

QuintessentiallyQS · 22/05/2014 21:26

I also read this and thought of applying Lean philosophy to your organisation. For efficiency, you could also read about Balanced Score card.

DippyEggNSolders · 22/05/2014 21:31

Put a proposal together with some examples and email it to the MD, copy in your boss so you're not seen as "skipping a level" and say you have some fantastic ideas which will help with the objectives that's s/he has mentioned (increase moral, decrease silo mentality etc).

We need you in our organisation. I'd snap you up in a second!

tribpot · 22/05/2014 21:45

You say Senior Management have made it clear they want to fix things - are they appointing someone to spearhead the work? Basically someone at director level needs to be given responsibility for making a set of improvements (first job might be to define what they are) and will then need to gather a suitable team together to get it done. This might involve backfilling their positions whilst they are occupied elsewhere - good job your company is happy to take on contractors Grin

I agree with the stuff written above - I'd be tempted to phrase it as 'I assume you'll be appointing a 'tiger team'* to get started on the process improvements and I'd like to volunteer to be part of it, these are the ideas I've had so far'.

Even if they do decide to get in some external consultants, they will need people for the consultants to deal with directly and who can keep the initiative going after the first flurry.

Sounds like you've got some great ideas, and have joined the dots a lot more than most people in the organisation. Definitely push this forward, it sounds like your company desperately needs people who can see past the end of their own nose to the wider problems.

  • yes I do know how wankerish this term is but it is widely used!
JustPassingThru · 22/05/2014 22:57

Sounds like you have great ideas. I agree you need to put a proposal to the senior manager. Make sure you couch it in terms he/she uses, borrowing phrases from the company's business plan or other official documentation, align it with your/his/her objectives, use phrases like 'empowering staff to identify efficiency savings' and similar, and emphasise how keen you are to be involved in such an initiative. Good luck.

purplemurple1 · 23/05/2014 04:14

Does your company have a quality manager - that's my role and you've described part of my job.

1981 · 23/05/2014 13:14

Wow, so many replies in such a short space of time - I can't thank you all enough - it's nice to know that none of the immediate reactions are that I'm mad or invented a type of job that doesn't exist/isn't useful (although that makes me wonder why we don't appear to have such a team/role, since so many of you seem to know exactly what I meant - even if it's called many different things).

I'm googling the references to lean, six sigma, etc like mad and will report back if I have any additional questions.

For the record, my organisation definitely isn't public sector - it's a for-profit company.

I've now come up with a short presentation outlining the issues, the proposed solution, and framed it in my company's terms (there are some very specific phrases and language which applies, which was a great suggestion JustPassingThru).

The only issue that remains is that most of it is quite negative (although I've obviously ended on a positive note!), with some examples given... I'm not sure whether I'm comfortable even standing behind it if I decide to submit the proposal to a suitable manager. Think I may have to mull it over for a bit first.

I'm worried about having a target painted on my back if it's perceived badly (rather than the "wow this is great, really pro-active/helpful" which is how it's intended). Sadly DippyEggNSolders I don't feel 100% certain that my company will be biting off my hand on this one. I don't want to be seen as a troublemaker!!

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TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 23/05/2014 13:23

Re: negative tone of presentation - remember to foreground the benefits of the role - frame it so it's not 'what we're doing wrong' but how can we improve efficiency, profitability, gain clients, grow the business...

tribpot · 23/05/2014 16:14

Agree - definitely don't present it negatively but in terms of 'challenges'. Lead off with some of the stuff you mentioned in your OP about the explosion of growth/success that the company's been through.

JustPassingThru · 24/05/2014 16:04

... and emphasise that the gains can be achieved at no cost! Even if you have to pay an external consultant, the resulting savings should more than pay his/her charges.

PeppermintInfusion · 27/05/2014 13:56

I more or less do this as a job in an IT/process context, feel free to PM if you want to ask anything Smile

Look into continual improvement, kaizen, lean/six sigma, prince2 project management, business process analysis, process mapping, business change and business transformation...lots of info & resources available online, and courses & certifications that can be done if you want to get formal recognition.

PeppermintInfusion · 27/05/2014 14:01

In terms of roles/job titles, they could be change manager/analyst, business process manager, continual improvement coach, internal auditor, lean specialist...

Building a good business case for it is a must, focusing on value-add, both financial and non-financial.
Also look at kotter's 8 step change model, as a lot of this sort of work is about cultural change too.

Anchorage · 30/05/2014 22:47

Sell it to them as a COO role - will look fab on your CV afterwards.

Also google Target Operating Model.

CrotchMaven · 30/05/2014 22:53

These problems always make me wonder what senior managers actually do. Anyone know?

CrotchMaven · 30/05/2014 23:02

By that I mean it should be their job to sort this stuff out. I am shocked that it's not.

I've always worked for smaller firms, successful but niche. We've always had an eye on this shit, from the bosses down. It's a natural part of being in a business, isn't it? What on earth happens in larger firms?

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