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Setting precedents?

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workquestions · 20/05/2014 09:13

This doesn't directly affect me but it is likely I will have to write a report on some decisions made in this organisation recently so I'd really appreciate getting my head around things.

If two people are accused of doing broadly the same thing and the investigations into both peoples actions find that they DID do the same thing, do they have to be treated the same way in terms of "punishment"? How objective can the panels be in their decsions? Can they make judgements like "well yes, person A had done the same thing as person B but person A is more valuable to the organisation and person A's intentions were good whereas person B was being lazy". I know both investigations would be separate but I wonder whether the outcome of one would/should impact on the outcome of the other?

Thank you if you have followed this garbled post!

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Hoppinggreen · 20/05/2014 09:55

No expert here but are you expected to make value judgements about people's motivations? Would it not be better just to stick to the facts ?
Unless of course you have been asked to but I would be worried about doing that as you can't possibly know what was going on in their head.
I suppose you could bring past actions into it

workquestions · 20/05/2014 10:00

That's exactly what I'm asking - whether a panel HAS to stick to facts or whether it has scope to apply value judgements.

I'm not involved in any of the decsion making. I will be writing a summary of lots of decsions in a report.

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ThinkIveBeenHacked · 20/05/2014 10:04

I would think you would need to stick entirely to fact. Remove all opinion, emotion and preferences from the process.

X did this, Y also did this. This = a set punishment.

Polkadotpatty · 20/05/2014 10:57

I would consider only the facts surrounding the incidents. However, there may be other factual evidence that would provide context in each case, so the employer may decide to also consider the broader context. They are not necessarily obliged to include previous context, particularly if the matter in question is considered as gross misconduct - it depends on the employer's policy, and whether it can be shown to be being applied equitably.

If, for example, person A had never had any disciplinary issues and had always met their performance objectives each year, and person B already had a formal written warning on their employment file, then the two people could reasonably be treated differently yet still equitably. This would be in keeping with the employer's policies of how misconduct or disciplinary issues are escalated.

flowery · 20/05/2014 11:14

It's normal and appropriate to take into account previous record, context, to what extent there was intent to do whatever it was, to what extent the organisation may have been partly culpable due to not enough training or supervision, many many things. A manager might receive a harsher warning for something than a more junior person would, for example, or someone who had been sailing very close to the wind and had been warned informally about something many times previously may end up with a harsher warning than someone who was otherwise a high performer and who perhaps made a one-off mistake.

All of this means that it could be acceptable for two people to be given different warning levels for the same thing, however I would advise any organisation doing this to be very careful that it can objectively justify this as obviously the person with a higher level warning is likely to appeal. This particularly applies if the offences are exactly identical and are being dealt with at exactly the same time.

workquestions · 20/05/2014 11:17

Thank you all, particularly Flowery.

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