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can I tell job centre I was made redundant?

8 replies

riab · 17/08/2006 15:46

Hi all,

I'm leaving my job at the end of this month. Several reasons but a big reason was that the funding for my post (I work in the community sector) ran out anyway in october (ish) and as my work was tied into school termtime it would be difficult to actually DO anything in the autumn.
The company is going through a massive reorganisation as well so even if there was another job they could switch me over into it might well be different hours/pay/location.

Question: Can I go to job centre and sign on for job seekers allowance and tell them (honestly) that my post was a fixed term funded contract and the funding has ended.
Will they check up?
Is it safer to wait until October when the funding will have run out for definite?

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madmarchhare · 17/08/2006 16:20

Just telephone your local office and ask how they deal with such situaions. Im sure you will be able to remain anonymous.

Angela2005 · 19/08/2006 22:15

Can you ask your employer to write a letter (back-dated to include your notice period obviously) stating that they are making you redundant? Or at least check that they will confirm it if the Job Centre ask?

Otherwise, depending who deals with your claim, they may make a big fuss and delay paying you.

If your employer can't so that though, you could just explain to the Job Centre and see what they say? Or ask Citizen's Advice - they will know for sure.

iota · 19/08/2006 22:16

they will check - they write to your employer for details

SaintGeorgeMarple · 19/08/2006 22:42

It is when you are actually getting paid until that matters. A standard letter will be sent to your employers asking for reason and final pay dates, including any accrued holdays or notice payments.

riab · 20/08/2006 12:52

Bugger, that does me in then. Unless I can get work to confirm that my job would run out of funding in October I guess I can't claim anything.

If they get a standard letter all they will do is say I resigned, and not mention the funding situation.

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iota · 20/08/2006 13:24

some info from \link{www.rightsnet.org.uk/pdfs/TUC_JSA_sanctions_Oct_2004.doc -\here}

sorry can't make the link work due to undrescores I think

Claiming JSA
When a person loses their job they may need to claim benefit, so the details of how the job ended will be important. When claiming JSA, the jobseeker attends a New Jobseeker?s Interview. At this, particular attention will be paid to why the last job ended. A sanction can apply (not paid JSA and sometimes not awarded National Insurance credits), from 1 to 26 weeks for:
? Leaving a job voluntarily without just cause, or
? Losing it because of misconduct.

As long as the other conditions are satisfied, JSA will continue to be paid until such time as a sanction is imposed, if one is appropriate.
Leaving voluntarily
The rules about leaving voluntarily without just cause are applied like a two stage test:
? First of all, Jobcentre Plus has to show that the person left the job voluntarily.
? If they can show that, then payment of JSA may be affected unless the person can show they had ?just cause? for leaving it ? if they did, benefit should be paid.

First stage: if the Adviser at the New Jobseeker Interview thinks a person left voluntarily, they should be asked to complete a form giving their version of events. The former employer might also be asked for their version. When filling in the form it is not enough to make general statements, the relevant facts must be entered in detail, even if they are embarrassing. The papers will be passed to a Jobcentre Plus Decision Maker.
The onus is on the Decision Maker to prove the claimant left employment voluntarily. If s/he does, it is then up to the claimant to show just cause.
Second stage: The guidance produced by DWP for Decision Makers says that they should consider all the relevant circumstances as well as using law and case law when making a decision. There are no hard and fast rules for Decision Makers to apply when making ?just cause? decisions because the reasons for people leaving work are so varied. The guidance gives examples that can help the Decision Maker think more clearly about whether just cause for leaving a job was shown, for example:
? The claimant must show they were not irresponsible in leaving work;
? There must generally have been some effort made to find another job before leaving;
? You must show that it was responsible for you to leave work;
? If the general public knew what the Decision Maker knows about the case, would they think leaving work was the reasonable thing to do?
? The guidance says that urgent employment or family problems may be just cause, but the Decision Maker will need to see evidence that leaving the job was the only option. Leaving work because another job was offered but then fell through might count, for instance.

The level of pay does not count as just cause, except for not getting the national minimum wage, which will ? but only if attempts were made to persuade the employer to pay it and s/he refused. The following would probably count as just cause for leaving a job:
? Disability, racial or sexual harassment, or
? Being harassed for enforcing a statutory right, such as the national minimum wage.

This means that a claimant will not be regarded as having left their job voluntarily if the contract of employment came to its natural end, if the employer ended the contract (except for reasons of misconduct), if there was a voluntary redundancy situation or the job ceased to exist - if the employer went into receivership, for example.

riab · 21/08/2006 12:42

thank you iota that is a help. So I might be in with a chance, I don't expect to get JSA straightaway.

So they have to agree that it was reasonable to leave my post as the funding /contract was drawing to a close.

I have tried to find other work - have two job applications on the go right now, but finding p/t work to fit around DS is difficult! Would it help to keep copies of any job applications I do to prove that I am trying to find new employment?(assuming I don't manage to get a job)

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magicmummy · 21/08/2006 21:45

You should ring and apply anyway. You have nothing to lose by trying.
You will be asked for info when you call which will indicate whether you may be able to claim JSA or not. You will then get a callback within a couple of days (you will be told which day and whether it will be am or pm) and you will need to have your information to hand including employment info. When this call is complete you will attend the local Job Centre for a Work Focused Interview with a Personal Adviser and your claim will be processed.
Your whole situation is taken into consideration and you may find that you are eligible for benefits that you haven't considered before.
If you are job hunting, do keep a record of any jobs you apply for as this will be useful when you go for your Work Focused Interview.

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