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No payslip/proof of income/job

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EdgarAllenWoe · 17/11/2013 09:18

My new DH started a new job about 3 weeks ago. He left his old job, they took ages to send his P45 so I hadn't been able to update the tax credit team. I called them to say he was intending to start this new job and waiting for the P45 with his final salary on old job, they said they were happy to wait until I had both his P45 and the details of his new job so I could update it all.

Roll on 3 weeks. He now has his P45. His employer was not interested in this. My DH signed another form which declared he had no other job, Psomethingorother, and his boss said he keeps that in his office, doesn't send it anywhere. This raised some eyebrows with DH and I straight away, but what do we know!

DH works 15 hours a week, and earns exactly under the threshold for tax and national insurance. His boss is clear that he does not deviate from those hours by going over, so that it does not confuse the tax/national insurance issue.

DH is paid in cash. With no payslip. He has no staff number, and no formal details from his employer regarding his employer name/business address etc for us to pass on to the tax credit people. DH has said to just tell them this guy's name and the address from where he works, as that is is sole business as far as he knows. That has raised more eyebrows. I am going to let them know this week about his new job, old job income etc, but something isn't right there either. Surely he needs to have a payslip? He literally is given a bundle of cash, a week in hand.

In addition to this, part of the reason DH had to change jobs is due to my disability, which is not hugely manageable in his old job. As he has taken a huge paycut we had considered applying for carers allowance in the short term to tide over that difference in pay, until my health improves enough for him to work more hours again, or find a job that he can work around caring for me. He is earning just under the weekly amount that means he can claim this (I get higher DLA at the moment).

But, he needs to prove his income! And he can't!

I know the first thing he needs to do is ask his boss for a payslip! you would think that is easy, but he won't ask. He gets cross when I ask and I suspect it's because he knows something is not right, and if he asks and rocks the boat he will be out of a job. In an ideal world he would simply not work there, but this is not an ideal world and he needs to work, and enjoys the job too. I am not sure how to kick DHs butt to get some documentation, as without it we cannot apply for carers allowance.

The job was properly advertised through the job centre job site, can't remember the name of it, but that must mean he is properly legitimate right?

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Picturesinthefirelight · 17/11/2013 09:36

If your dh is the only employee or no one earns above the theshd then what his employer is doing is entirely correct.

You don't have to operate a PAYE scheme if no one earns above the limit. They just have to sign a P46 declaration.

If there are other employees earning more however then since last April under Real Time Information they do have to operate PAYE for everyone.

I have started giving my only employee payslips she is a student working Saturdays) but I don't have to. Previous to that I once wrote a letter for a previous employee for some I proof of income confirming their earnings.

Picturesinthefirelight · 17/11/2013 09:38

And no, you don't send the P46 anywhere, just keep it fir reference.

EdgarAllenWoe · 17/11/2013 09:50

picture phew, that's good to know. Dh says he felt the guy thought he knew what he was doing, but he is the kind of guy who always sees the best in people, I am not unfortunately!

So, he could just ask for a letter, or some other proof of earnings and that will be sufficient? He is being quite clear that DH must not work above 15 hours, which indicates he knows that will complicate things, and that seems to fit with doing it all properly. I guess I am just very suspicious and neither DH and I have worked for no wage slips, even when I worked in a bar as a student, for pence, I got a little tiny slip of paper with my pay written on Grin

There is only one other employee, also on minimal hours, I don't think that person earns over the limit either, i think that is how he wants it to be.

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Picturesinthefirelight · 17/11/2013 09:58

Yes the second anyone earns over the threshold the employer will have to register for PAYE which involves paying employer costs, setting up a computer programme to record wages & lots of extra admin.

If your dh were to earn over the limit for one week he'd have to set up OAYE for everyone!

EdgarAllenWoe · 17/11/2013 10:28

Ah, so that explains his keenness for DH to never go over those hours!

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flowery · 17/11/2013 11:53

Everyone is entitled to a payslip or similar statement of pay. useful guide here. Just because no employees earn very much doesn't impact their rights in this area.

EBearhug · 17/11/2013 13:40

Surely they still have to track it (and could therefore generate payslips), just to prove that no one is earning over the threshold?

flowery · 17/11/2013 17:08

Yes absolutely. They have to keep proper records of pay, as well as provide individual payslips/statements. Whether people earn enough for the employer to have to operate a PAYE system isn't relevant and doesn't affect the rights of low earning employees.

EdgarAllenWoe · 17/11/2013 17:55

ok, so, he should get a payslip, and it would be appropriate to ask for one then. Good. I would feel happier if he had one as it makes my own paperwork more simple! it's me that does the whole contacting tax credits etc so I like to have paperwork to back up what I talk about, just in case it's ever asked for.

DH thinks he is legit, just lazy! He said when we spoke again today that he thinks he will let him have a payslip if he asks, he just might have to badger him a bit for it and wait a little while for him to get it sorted! He will ask him tomorrow.

It just feels really weird, him going to work where he hardly sees his boss and is given the freedom to do his job as he pleases, and then gets paid in cash with no paper trail or real evidence he is even there. Well, apart from this form he completed to say he doesn't work anywhere else. I think the payslip makes it feel more like he has a job not some cash in hand type thing!

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