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Nursery v. childminder?

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Hughsie · 29/01/2004 11:29

I have two boys 11 months and almost 3 and they are currently attending a private nursery with hefty fees. Oldest is very happy and seems to have lots of fun although we do have discipline problems with him. Youngest has only been going for two months but doesn't seem to like it - doesn't sleep well there and is always looking sad when I go to collect him. With ds1 ready for state nursery in September I would really like him to be able to go and no private nursery in our area seems to offer a drop off or collect service to help. i work Weds-Fri and would like to continue so have decided to search for a childminder. i have to admit that I am really anxious as i worry whether an individual would be ok rather than the support of a nursery and more regulations?? You can never know another person well wnough to trust them with your children alone surely - am I being silly? The childminder I am considering has a 7 month old of her own and we are due to visit her at the weekend for a chat. i am not sure I am comfortable at all as how would it be if both babies needed her at the same time and my toddler can be demanding.

Has anyone gone through these dilemmas and could offer adice or solutions. i have no local family to help out with nursery runs and the hours are not convenient to say the least.

Please help ??!!!

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alibubbles · 29/01/2004 12:14

The childminder cannot look after your son until her own child is over 1 year, that is Ofsted ruling.

I would be a little apprehensive if the childminder only has one baby of her own, unless she has had previous childcare experience, because as you say, she would have two close in age, both at very demanding and time consuming ages. She is really still finding her way with her own child, we all know that the first one is the one you practise on and get it right second time round!

Your own baby is going to need a lot of time to settle in as he is at the age when separation anxiety starts to happen.

See how she is with her own child, if she appears relaxed and at ease and confident that she can cope, it could be a very positive thing for your son

I'll post the list of things top ask for your benefit.

How long have you been working with children?

What training have you had? Any qualifications? Are you part of a network, done a quality assurance programme, look at registration certificate, insurance details, business use for car. Contracts and record forms

Do you enjoy being with children and why?

Can I look around, see the rooms and outside play space? If there is no outside play space - how will you make sure my child gets the chance to play outside?

Where will my child rest?

What kind of food and drink will you give? Can I see a menu?

What will my child do all day?

How do you encourage good behaviour?

Will my child be with a regular group of children? How old are they? How will their timetable fit in with my child?

How will you make sure I know how my child is getting on?

What hours is she open?

How much does she charge?

What about when my child is sick, holidays, days off

What do you do in an emergency?

When was her last Ofsted, can you see the report?
Top 10 Quality Pointers

When you visit possible childcare options, look for these Quality Pointers:

Are the children calm, safe, happy and busy?

Do children play and talk together?

Is the childminder listening to the children and answering them carefully?

Is the childminder friendly and proud of her work?

Is she joining in joining in with what the children are doing?

Are there lots of fun activities planned to help children learn and play? Can children plan some of these activities themselves?

Are there plenty of clean toys and equipment for children to use?

Is the premises clean, well kept and safe for children with a fun outside play area (or will the child go to parks and other places regularly)?

Do parents have plenty of chances to say what they want for their children?

If there are other things you want to know, don't be afraid to ask. Good childminders expect you to ask questions and will be happy to answer them.

Always take up references. You could ask for names of other parents to talk to about the service
Listen to your child and find out more if he/she is unhappy
Always trust your own feelings about your childcare - you know your child best. Good luck

Most childminders who are proud of what they do will be pleased to share everything with you.

I hope you get sorted out and are happier about it all soon.

Cinnamon · 29/01/2004 12:23

Dear alibubbles
Thanks for your pointers in looking for child minders, I shall be looking myself during the summer and have printed off your hints and tips which I think are valid and will be very useful.
Thanks

twiglett · 29/01/2004 12:27

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Hughsie · 29/01/2004 12:46

Wow - thanks alibubbles - that is really useful. by the time ds2 starts with her (if at all) he will be one anyway so that isn't a problem. She has child minded before and has two children of 13 and 16 as well as her baby so should know what to do.

I feel anxious about leaving my children with anyone obviously and I feel that only I know them well enough to care for them in the right way - does that make sense?

I know I trust the nursery but there are lots of them and a resident manager to check that the children are cared fr correctly and satisfy the ofsted guidelines - how is this ever enforced in someones home?

Do you use a childminder as opposed to a nursery - how to you find the pros and cons?

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twiglett · 29/01/2004 12:53

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Hughsie · 29/01/2004 13:01

Thanks for that - I dont want to make out that I think the child minder is incapable - it's just that you hear so many horrible stories about people and it seems a riskier choice than a group of carers but I take your point about the one to one attention - When ds1 starts at nursery it also means he can attend there which is what I want and I can drop and collect him on the days I dont work to allow for time alone with ds2. It could be perfect but I know I will have to follow my gut instinct when we finally meet.

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motherinferior · 29/01/2004 13:13

A good childminder can be absolutely wonderful, Hughsie. Ours is just amazing.

Hughsie · 29/01/2004 13:33

I will try to go into it with a ore positive attitude as I can really see that there could be tremendous benefits in terms of flexibility and maybe even babysitting for us occasionally - Fingers crossed - she will be ok.

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KatieMac · 29/01/2004 13:42

If you get a childminder in a network then she (or he) will be visited ecery 6 to 8 weeks by a co-0rdinator, who monitors them and checks for Ofsted compliance. And they make unplanned visits, so you can't prepare for them!!!!
Mind you I think if you have to prepare for a visit then you aren't doing you job properly (which doesn't stop me impersonating a headless chicken when she is due)

StressyHead · 29/01/2004 13:44

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Hughsie · 29/01/2004 14:01

That's true - I definitely wont be rushing into anything and they are still in nursery for now and I would need to give one months notice on that so I will make sure i am happy before the upheaval.

Alibubbles - did you mean that the childmonder is not allowed to look after any other children until her own child is over one? Is that an official rule?

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alibubbles · 29/01/2004 15:57

Sorry I confused you Hughsie, the rule is 3 under 5 of which only one may be under 1 year, including childminders own children.- So she may have her own and 2 others under 5, and 3 over 5's if she is registered for them.

If as you say she has other children, and has childminded before, I think she will be fine.

Katiemac is right, look for a network childminder, though not many areas have networks yet, failing that, one who has achieved a quality assurance qualification, or at least the CCP.

I am a childminder, so no direct experience of using a nursery, but have looked after several babies who were in nurseries who have moved them for various reasons. It is very much a personal choice.

Last night I received a tentative booking for a baby in January 05, not due till April, and already have 2 on a waiting list for Sept 04. It is lovely to have the staff of this school lining up for places, I'll be telling them when to plan their babies next to guarantee I'll have a place!

Looks like I'll be doing this a while longer if DD goes to Uni in Paris, thought I was going to better off without her school fees to pay!

Hughsie · 29/01/2004 16:44

I have phoned the local council where she is registered to check and they assured me that she can take two children on top of her own baby - under 5. I'll just have to wait and see what my instinct tells me when we meet at the weekend

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Hughsie · 31/01/2004 18:23

Oh dear - now I'm confused - I really liked the lady but I'm not really happy about where she lives - more because the mums and tots groups she intends to go to are in a very rough area and dh is adamant that they don't go there - dont get me wrong we're not snobs - in fact it is not dissimilar to where he grew up which I think makes him more against it.

Back to square one for now

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StressyHead · 01/02/2004 15:32

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alibubbles · 01/02/2004 17:33

Hughsie, my DS sent her children to a childminder on a council estate and she was one of the most fantastic people you could ever meet . DS had to get over that stigma too, and had to defend her decision manay a time to her 'posh' friends.

I know someone who lives in a £1 million house and is a crap childminder, she thinks some people are impressed by the house, but she doesn't have a lot else going for her and the service she provides is second class. I know who I'd rather put my children with.

tigermoth · 01/02/2004 20:02

I rejected one childminder partly on the basis that her house was too nice - she said she was doing it up on the money she made from childminding and went on and on about it. I just got the impression that she was more interested in the money than in her job. She told me she would charge me £10.00 per day more than the going rate in our area but would then explain how I could claim it back from the government. The pay back would be of no benefit to me, but it gave her more money, she said....

However, I did also reject some council house childminders, not because of the area, but because of the small size of their homes. My sons were lively toddlers and IMO needed space. I used to ask to see all the areas of the house that were insured for childminding and if I felt the size was too mean, I'd not let my child go there. Sadly, many council properties fell by the wayside for this reason.

noddy5 · 01/02/2004 20:07

As long as you are happy with them the location shouldnt matter.I was brought up in a council house and my son went to a lady in a local estate and she was lovely and a great minder.I now live in a 'better'area but there arent many people in this road id leave him with!

KatieMac · 01/02/2004 20:36

I live (& childmind) in a 1950's council house and I have the largest playroom, and a 100 foot garden - not sure how anyone could have a larger playroom (16 ft by 15 ft)

The space rules back then were great!!

maomao · 26/03/2004 19:40

alibubbles,

Just wanted to say thanks for the list of questions and pointers. I'm about to begin my quest for a childminder, and your tips are REALLY helpful!

alibubbles · 26/03/2004 20:30

Glad to help, any further questions, ie. contracts, retainers etc. just ask.

maomao · 28/03/2004 21:56

Hi alibubbles,

I do have a question or two --- would it be ok to contact you via "contact another talker"?

alibubbles · 29/03/2004 08:02

maomao, yes, by all means, please do, also try contacting me via my website, I have a suspicion the email link is not working, so I would be grateful if you could try that too.
think-small childminding could you click on my email address and send a message and also submit one through the message box. Thanks!

maomao · 29/03/2004 12:05

Hi alibubbles,

I just submitted an email to you via the link on your website. Hopefully it will work. What a wonderful site you have!

If you don't receive it, I'll send you a regular old email to the same address.

Thanks for your help!

alibubbles · 30/03/2004 09:03

maomao, I haven't received it, must get my techie onto it.

Try me at alison at think dash small dot co dot uk or contact another talker