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Is this tender worth my while?

18 replies

WilsonFrickett · 22/11/2012 20:26

I'm a freelance copywriter and ages ago I signed up to the Scottish govt/LA tendering portal. I haven't pitched for anything so far - due to either lack of fit with my skills or scope of the project.

Anyway, a job has come up on the portal for 'creative content writing' which I'm interpreting as copywriting. Not a huge contract so all sounding good so far.

The tender process involves filling out a questionnaire which will be scored, the top 6 scorers will then go through to another pitching thing (all very X Factor) and it definitely says Sole Traders are eligible to tender. But all the scoring seems weighted against soles or freelancers. For example, you get points for having bank refs (something I've never needed as a sole trader), points for the number of people you employ (that'll be none), points for having an equality and Health and Safety policy.

I should just forget about it, shouldn't I? A formal company is going to score waaaay more points - even though the points process isn't focused on skills or experience?

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TalkinPeace2 · 23/11/2012 16:27

Personally I'd give them a call and ask why, under Localism guidance, they are discriminating against small businesses.
It may be because they are concerned that a sole trader would let them down where a team would not (erroneously IMHO)

WilsonFrickett · 23/11/2012 18:30

Thanks Talk, I put up a question on the site (you're not allowed to contact people directly) and it seems that irrelevant questions will be disregarded rather than marked down. I directly asked if they felt the process would discriminate against freelancers and they said it wasn't designed to, and they felt that the contract size would put the big shops off. So I'm going to give it a go. Nothing ventured and all that Smile

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TalkinPeace2 · 23/11/2012 18:51

Go for it.
Interested to know how you do.

DH did some work for the now abolished Teaching Development Agency.
They wanted him to jump through dozens of hoops and reams of paperwork.
He let the process run until they were committed and then just said NO
NO written policies that you will just file anyway
NO risk assessment over and above what is normally done
NO continuity policy - as the work is billed on completion
NO questionnaire about us - read the bloody website you used to find us ....
and they just rolled over and the event went really well

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 26/11/2012 10:30

Wilson think you have decided to anyway, but I'd give it a go. I am sure they are right that if it is a relatively small job then the larger players won't bother.

Once you are "in" it could leave to other stuff, so it is worth giving it ago.

I did have a search to see if there are any schemes that provide support for small businesses with tendering but nothing obvious came up. I know that the FSB has previously campaigned on the topic, but not sure there is much practical help out there.

It could be worth trying to contact other small traders who are on their list?

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

WilsonFrickett · 26/11/2012 13:06

Will do. They don't have a list as such - or at least, it's not publicised. And the way the spec is written I'm not sure they really understand copywriting. But heigh ho, will have a go Grin

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twoterrors · 26/11/2012 14:44

Mmmm, I did similar but for England. Can't remember who but was under the guise of more govt money should go to small /medium sized businesses. I stopped reading the emails as we clearly meant different things by a small business. Siix months later a friendly man rang to ask how I was getting on and sounded politely uninterested when I started to explain that the way the whole thing was pitched and framed made it very hard for a sole trader to show off what they did, rather than appear as a pale and rather inefficient imitation of a small company.

My strength is my size, I can provide really good value for money, respond very quickly and flexibly to clients, and cater for their particular needs, learn on the job as needed, and so on. The thought of having to write a risk assessment for what happens if my laptop gets stolen just makes me feel weak (even though I suspect I am reasonably well set up for that). My work often involves nothing confidential at all - so why do I need detailed policies on data security?

Also, the time taken to complete these things when the chances are tiny makes it hard when you are a one-woman show.

I'd be interested to know how you get on, OP, and if others have had any success.

WilsonFrickett · 26/11/2012 16:37

That was exactly my first impression of it two - it's an advantage that I don't need all these policies and procedures (after all, if someone's spending time doing that sort of thing, the costs have to be passed on somewhere). But I'll have a go and post back.

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DolomitesDonkey · 29/11/2012 11:11

This annoys the crap out of me, a lot of these are really small contracts and often in the small print you'll find that these certificates are just "copy & paste" jobs or standard templates if you run a small

WilsonFrickett · 29/11/2012 11:14

Yep, it's a tiny contract, that was also mentioned in the response that they think the net worth of the contract would stop big firms applying. Because they're awash with work in the creative industries right now, clearly Hmm

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DolomitesDonkey · 29/11/2012 17:15

I applied to be invited to tender for something yesterday, never expected to get the call to apply, nonetheless they have. So I shall hammer out a proposal and submit a ludicrous fee.

twoterrors · 29/11/2012 17:24

Go for it Dolomites - after all, you'll have to pay for all that unnecessary infrastructure with your profits Smile

I can't tell you how pleased I am that others feel the same. I thought I might be being a wimp. The man who rang me said they go up to 50 employees or something - so that's 100 times me (part time work).

In my field, lots of companies have set up employing people like me (and creaming off most of the money ) - but I like the personal touch and being able to try new things without a load of faff. My clients like it oo - but it makes it hard to find new ones in today's world.

Corygal · 11/12/2012 13:31

Oooh! Ohh! I've done tenders like this for my ex-firm - we got the jobs, usually.

First things first:

  1. Tenders are a hell of lot of work - see a hoop and you HAVE to jump through it. Policies? You need them all.
  2. I have never, never, heard of a sole trader getting one of these jobs.
  3. They usually go to Serco who subcontract them out. Or a consortium of small businesses (rare) who tender as 4 or 5 firms in one doc.
  4. Have you done any govt work before? If not, don't bother, because you will need proven experience to include.

In theory, the govt is supposed to award a third of its work to small business. But small businesses can employ anything up to 250 people. Even so that target is not met.

Corygal · 11/12/2012 13:36

I've been on a committee (BIS) with the guy from the FSB who did that campaign. No response whatsoever from the govt.

Oh, and Serco and A4E will already have been invited to tender, along with three or four other firms who will have been asked to make up the numbers before the big boy gets it.

Serco and A4E will probably have been hired to write the tender, too.

WeWilsonAMerryChristmas · 12/12/2012 21:29

Are Serco and A4E going for small-scale copywriting work now?

WilsonFrickett · 25/01/2013 09:36

Just to update, I didn't get it. Will ask for feedback.

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WilsonFrickett · 25/01/2013 10:38

Scrap that, I did get into the next stage! But the letter was completely unintelligible - they clearly need a copywriter Wink

Stand by for second stage tender questions!

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Tee2072 · 25/01/2013 10:41

Excellent! Gives hope to us all!

MrsMargoLeadbetter · 25/01/2013 18:00

Great news Wilson!!! Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the update.

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