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How is it possible to afford to work and to have a baby? Any ideas?

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LydiaBarnes · 29/05/2012 18:34

Hi,

I'm new here so I apologise if this is the wrong board . . . x posted as found this forum later . . .

I'm approaching my mid-thirties (i.e. menopause!!)and I would love to have a baby with my partner. Both of us are lodging in separate places due to a loss of job on my part (and I'm working towards another career) and debts on his. I earn £15k, he earns £21k per year (both work full time).

Due to his situation, if we had a child I would have to bear the childcare costs for at least 2 years . . because I wouldn't/couldn't give up my job. Looking on the web, this indicates that it would cost £45 a day, which is £900 a month! Assuming that I'd get child benefit, this takes it down to £820 . . My salary after tax is £1,090 a month, my rent is £200. Which would leave me with £70 a month for food, fuel, telephone bills grin((

I've read something about Working Tax Credits - would/could I get these, and does it make the whole thing more manageable??

How do existing mums manage this situation? It seems horribly unfair to be 'priced out' of having children in this way . . . thanks for reading

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Bellakins · 29/05/2012 19:22

Copied from moneysavingexpert:

If you pay for childcare, using special vouchers saves many parents £1,000s a year in tax. If you're not taking advantage, check them out as a matter of urgency.

They're a special government scheme operated through employers that allow you to pay for childcare from your PRE-tax salary. It mightn't sound a big deal, but the impact can be huge.

Childcare vouchers can save many parents with kids aged up to 15 over £1,000 a year on childcare. Frustratingly it is only available via employers, but many large and small companies take part.

The key is they enable you to pay for childcare out of your PRE-TAX and National Insurance income. While this doesn?t sound much, the benefit is huge.

It works by 'salary sacrifice'

A few very generous employers will simply give you the vouchers on top of your normal salary, but most will ask you to do what's called a 'salary sacrifice', which works something like this (basic rate tax example)...

You give up £1,000 of salary
but after tax & NI that's only worth £700ish in your pocket.

In return you get £1,000 of vouchers
so you're £300 per grand better off.

For an accurate figure of savings look at calculators on Computershare Voucher Services or KiddiVouchers. Yet always check first if you're eligible for tax credits - see the tax credit warning for more info.

Of course, once you no longer need to pay for childcare, you should ensure you get your full salary back (we've never heard of this being a problem, but it's worth checking).

How many vouchers can you buy?

Basic rate tax payers (and higher/top rate payers who joined before 5 April 2011 as long as they don't take a break from the scheme of more than 12 months) can pay for up to £243 of childcare with vouchers each month (£55/week). This is PER PARENT so two working parents could get £486 a month of vouchers.

From 6 Apr 2011 new joiners paying higher or top rate tax had their allowance dropped so that all tax payers have roughly the same maximum tax gain. The limits are currently:

Basic (20%) Taxpayer. £55/week vouchers, max annual gain £930.

Higher (40%) Taxpayer. £28/week voucher, max annual gain £620.

Top (50%) Taxpayer. £22/week voucher, max annual gain £600.

The number of children you have doesn't impact this, the limits are the same whether you've one child or an entire Brady Bunch.

Vouchers aren't specific to each child and have a long expiry date, so if you know you're going to have higher childcare costs during the holidays collect vouchers in advance.

Also many providers will let you backdate vouchers up to six months, although your child must be born for you to be able to sign up. Check your individual provider's procedures first.

What counts as childcare?

The vouchers cover childcare up to 1 September after your child's 15th birthday (16th if they are disabled).

The provider must be regulated

They're usable by any nursery, playgroup, nanny, childminder or au pair who is registered and regulated - most are.

The easiest way is to simply ask them, yet you can also ask your local authority?s children?s services department or search for your nearest Family Information Service on the Daycare Trust website, which should be able to tell you about the provision available in your area.

Plus you can check on these official websites:

In England. Go to the Ofsted website or call 0300 123 1231
In Wales. Check the Care and Social Services Inspectorate website
In Scotland. Go to the Social Care and Social Work Improvement Scotland website or call 0845 600 9527
In Northern Ireland. Check the Dept of Health, Social Services and Public Safety webiste or call 028 9052 0500
Those whose relatives look after a child in the child's own home won't be eligible to receive the vouchers. Yet vouchers can be claimed for carers that are registered childminders looking after a child in their own home.

Further help with childcare costs

There are other schemes in place to help with childcare costs, including tax credits, holiday provision, and, from September 2010, at least 15 hours a week free childcare (to be spread over at least three days) for all three and four year olds before they reach school starting age (term time only). Read the Childcare Costs guide for more info.

Where to get vouchers from?

Any parent, or those with parental responsibility for a child living with them, is eligible for the vouchers. Yet sadly, to get them, your employer must run a scheme. Follow these steps:

Ask your employer if it runs a childcare voucher scheme.

Check with your Human Resources / Personnel department to see if yours does. Most big employers, such as Lloyds, Barclays and Sony offer the schemes. Many NHS Trusts and Ministry of Defence departments do too and since 2006 teachers have also been able to use the scheme.

Sadly, if you're a sole trader you're not eligible, as you're not classed as an employer.

What if your employer doesn't offer a scheme?

Providing childcare vouchers shouldn't cost your employer any money. In fact, as they don't pay national insurance on the vouchers, it actually makes them serious proft - £100s per employee! So try and persuade them; perhaps chat to other parents and go as a group to request the facility, even printing out this article to show them.

Firms can offer voucher schemes one of two ways, either by operating the scheme themselves or by using one of the many voucher companies to do all the admin for them. The fee for this should be less than the firm gains in national insurance, so they'll still profit.

These providers include: Kiddivouchers (which donates at least 5% of all profits to various charities) and Employersforchildcare (a not for profit organisation). See a full list of providers .

Many of these companies will also contact your employer for you upon request.

Warning! Vouchers can cost you

While many people can save by using vouchers there's one little and one big warning.

Technically you earn less...

If to get vouchers you need to sacrifice some of your salary, this can have an impact on other elements of your finances that depend on how much you earn - such as pension contributions, maternity pay and more.

This is only likely to be a minor issue for most and easily overcome by the gain from vouchers, but is worth being aware of.

The impact on childcare tax credits...

Though the name?s confusing, tax credits are simply a type of benefit you get put into your bank account.

Yet it can be a massive amount of cash, the average payout for those eligible is around £60 a week, that?s over £3,000 a year, so this isn?t small potatoes (see Childcare Tax Credits guide for whether you're eligible).

The problem is for a number of people with kids (depending on how many) getting childcare vouchers reduces your eligibility for tax credits; potentially leaving you out of pocket.

This is because the amount of tax credit you get depends on how much you pay IN CASH (ie not vouchers) for childcare. Here?s a simplified example...

The Jones are entitled to 70% of their childcare costs in tax credits.

Pay £100 in cash a week - they get £70 of tax credits.

Pay £50 in cash and £50 in vouchers (which they had to buy) and they?re only entitled to 70% of £50 paid in cash, which is £35 of tax credits.

The upshot of all this is a hit to tax credits by using childcare vouchers, which means some people are better off not getting vouchers at al.

Should you go for childcare vouchers or not?

If you're eligible for tax credits for childcare (see childcare tax credit guide if you're not sure) then you're likely to be better off sticking with ONLY tax credits and not getting vouchers.

There are a few circumstnaces in which you could still gain getting vouchers, for example if your childcare costs are above £175 a week for one child or £300 for two or more children.

If you can't claim tax credits then you will ALWAYS be better off using vouchers to pay for childcare, as you have no tax credits to be affected.

Use the special calculator. There's a special calculator on the HM Revenue & Customs which will calculate if you're better or worse off taking the vouchers (updated for the 2012/13 financial year around 10 April 2012).

xkcdfangirl · 29/05/2012 20:36

(I wriote this when there were zero replies on this thread and then had to deal with othr stuff for a couple of hours and hadn't pressed the "post message" button so I haven't read other responses yet as they are not showing on my screen)

I don't think you can calculate whether you can have children as part of a cost-benefit-analysis. People successfully raise children on all sorts of family income levels, a lot of which are lower than yours (a full time job on minimum wage is £12k per year so you are doing better than many!). Until you get well into higher-rate tax payer territory, EVERYONE makes sacrifices in their standard of living when kids come along, and finds it stressful to make ends meet. Whatever changes you have to make, you find a way to manage one way or another.

Lots of people use cash-free arrangements with friends and family for child care, child minders can be a lot cheaper than the £45 per day depending where you live, and don't forget that £486 per month of your childcare costs (assuming both you and your DP use your allowances) come out of your pre-tax income so that is cheaper than you think.

If you really want to have a child, go for it, don't wait, and work it all out as you go along. Whatever happens, you won't starve and will muddle along through. Your child may not have that many new things or get the latest toys, but it's way more important to be loved and secure than it is to have stuff.

OneLittleBabyTerror · 30/05/2012 09:27

I agree with xkcdfangirl that you can't completely calculate having children based on money. No matter how you look at it, you'll make a loss. You'll have to make sacrifices.

Maybe one of you will have to take a career break until the children are at school. Maybe that person who sacrifice his/her career have to take a job at nights or weekends so you can cover childcare between the two of you. Maybe you'll have to relocate back close to family so some of them can help with free childcare. (Childminder in my area is about the same price as a nursery. It's about £900 a month).

As for how others can afford it. They might just earn more than you? The average is something like £26k iirc. And that's salaried employees, not including the really big earners and self employed. If you have two £26k income, you can just about afford to put 1-2 preschool kids in childcare, without help.

givemeaclue · 31/05/2012 18:00

HI - how people afford it is that they aren't just looking at the childcare costs as coming out of one salary. If you are in a relationship then the childcare costs will surely come out of your joint income - you have calculated that £900 per month will come out of just your salary -most couples having a child would view the £900 as coming out of thier joint incomes not just one. Also, would you and your partner not be planning to live together so that would reduce your overheads? Seems a bit strange in your OP that you've worked out the financial issues based on only your salary. On the sums you provided, then yes it would be very very difficult to pay out £45 per day childcare from a £15k salary - you need to combine salaries with your partner so you are paying £45 per day from your combined salaries of £36k. If your partner is not prepared to go into a joint income situation I would think v carefully before having a child with him, also be careful about his debts etc - how long have you been together - just seems strange to be considering having a child when you don't live together, have seperate finances, he has debts etc - be careful!

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