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Can my employer not promote me because of being on ML?

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advicewouldhelp · 05/03/2012 13:22

I've namechanged for this as I'm paranoid that someone from work might recognise me but I'm getting a bit desperate.... I'll try and be brief

I am currently on ML.

The contract I was on when I went on ML had me at a certain level in the company and stated that I would be on that level for X years and then "subject to performance" I would go up a level (which involves an increase in pay and responsibility).

I have now been told that the year I was on ML does not count towards the total number of years as stated in the contract - so effectively I have to make up the year I've "missed." I will not even have my performance considered in terms of the promotion until I have done this.

I am very upset about this as, financially, it might mean I cannot afford to go back to work at all because of the cost of childcare. We planned things based on the pay rise (I was 99% sure that my performance would be ok).

This really doesn't seem right to me. Any advice gratefully received.

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LotsOfGoodFunThatIsFunny · 05/03/2012 17:29

The law changed in 2003 to say that the employer had to still give all contractual benefits for standard maternity leave (first 6 months) except pay. Then in 2008 they extended this to extended maternity leave (the next 3 months). I know this because my employer has just had to give me extra holiday because I didn't accrue bank holidays whilst I was on ML.

Have you got a union where you work? If not I would try and see CAB as it doesn't sound right to me. It's discriminating you for being female essentially.

BeeBawBabbity · 05/03/2012 17:31

Perhaps worth running it past an employment lawyer, or reading your copy of the contract carefully (if you have one)? I'm permanently employed (civil service) and I know my ML did not count towards my experience when I was considered for promotion.

Worth chasing though if it could make such a big difference to you...

Darleneconnor · 05/03/2012 17:34

They can deduct the 3 months extra leave but have to include the 9 months smp in your record.

advicewouldhelp · 05/03/2012 17:35

Thanks for the replies.

BeeBawBabbity that's interesting, I am also in the Civil Service but I can't see anything in my contract that says anything about that. It may be a policy or part of a collective agreement that I was not aware of so have asked my Union rep to check. Our contracts tend to be a bit thin on detail with most if the info being posted on our intranet site (which I don't have access to from home).

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catsareevil · 05/03/2012 17:36

I wasnt allowed to count all of my maternity leave when it came to getting promotion at work (which required a certain amount of time spent at a particular level), it seemed fair enough, as I hadnt been at work gaining experience in that role.

In my job sick leave can also mean that people dont meet the requirements for experience.

advicewouldhelp · 05/03/2012 17:42

I think that's the nub of the issue for my employer - the fact that I haven't gained a years worth of experience, but that's not what the contract says. It just says after " X years" at this level you "will" progress etc....

But I still can't see how this gets around the fact that I will suffer a detriment (financial mainly) because I took ML. I just didn't think that kind of thing was legal! If I were to have another baby for example I will just be kept back again etc without having the opportunity of having the performance I have actually done assessed with a view to promotion.

I've also posted this in "Employment Issues" so hopefully will get some advice there also.

Thanks for the replies.

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sleepdodger · 17/04/2012 19:48

advicewouldhelp I understand where you're coming from but it's not the ml which is holing you back it's your attendance ie if you were a bloke and been off sick etc same would count
I understand you're disappointed but think in terms of time off as % and see if it's still reasonable ie 4 years with 1 yr off +25%, alot to 'miss', whereas 10yr with 1 year off =10% and thus would be more difficult for them to not count

CultureMix · 20/04/2012 00:42

Agree with cats, I would assume the year count is for actual time at work gaining experience, so the year of ML does not count. Would also apply for long-term sickness - though obv ML is not an illness! - but principle is the same, are you effectively in work and contributing or not.

I would certainly expect that a partial year counts, say the year is measured Jan-Dec and you were off from July then the first 6 months before you go absolutely count towards the total - but may mean you only get considered in the next year's promotion round after you make up the difference.

While I was on ML, I was given a performance review of 'average' when effectively I'd only been in work for three months that year (and done well if I say so myself) - but I accepted that, who's to say what the rest of the year would have looked like. It also meant that I was given the 'average' salary increase that year which was a big fat zero [hollow laugh, that's private sector for you]. Can't see many organisations awarding an 'outstanding' rating to someone who's not there at work.... and at least my ML protected me in that the company went through a number of layoffs that year, so I bypassed that round entirely.

To be honest, taking ML immediately imposes a financial detriment whether you like it or not, it's been shown to reduce future potential earning power, impacts your pension / retirement funds etc etc. All part of the equation, in the end you need to decide whether ML is important enough to you - for myself there was no question about it and I went for 10-11 months (could have stopped earlier say 6 months but chose not to). But the impact of the decision will reverberate for years and you can't fully assess it til later.

hallamoo · 20/04/2012 18:22

Yes, but men are not affected in the same way when they become a parent, so to me, it sounds like sex discrimination. I was under the impression that ALL your T&C (except pay) HAD to remain the same when you were on M/L.

I wonder if this will change when men and women can split the M/L 50/50?

hmm..............

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