Is there a paternity allowance for men who don't meet SPP requirements?

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Like there's maternity allowance instead of SMP?

Or if they earn under the £103 a week?

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dh just took annual leave as we wouldnt have covered the mortgage with the paternity pay

I'm thinking as extended leave rather than the two weeks. I'm the main wage earner so thinking if we have another baby dh could take a couple of months extended leave but he is likely to be self employed or in his current situation of combination of couple of part time jobs.

No there isn't. To qualify he must be an employee and have been employed by the same company from conception through to taking leave. Part time is fine so long as he meets the eligibility criteria. He can probably claim two lots of sapp as women on maternity leave can if they have two jobs (I'm fairly sure they can but haven't expressly looked it up).

He is employed currently in 1 p/t job £90 a week & 2casual contract jobs at the same place so works every week but hours vary.

He's looking at setting us as self employed soon hence the question on that.

Well he definitely can't if he's self employed unless he's set up as a limited company and has paid sufficient class I NI contributions. He could probably get statutory additional paternity pay (SAPP) on his current job if he meets all the criteria. He would get 90% of £90. Whether he would get anything for his other jobs would depend on the type of contract he has.

Full details here: www.direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Moneyandworkentitlements/WorkAndFamilies/Paternityrightsintheworkplace/DG_190788

Let me know if you have any more questions.

It says on there about being employed. Technically he is employed by the company but might not have hours that week. Does that alter anything?
It doesn't happen often but could.

I'm not pregnant yet but we are trying to work out what w

Would happen if we had another.

HMRC guide here: www.hmrc.gov.uk/helpsheets/e19.pdf Please note they use ASPP for additional statutory paternity pay (I got my acronym the wrong way round ).

His gross average earnings have to be over the minimum threshold for class I NI contributions by the "qualifying week". This is "the 15th week before the expected date of birth". Average earnings are calculated using the "relevant period" calculation which is 8 weeks prior to the qualifying week (still with me?!).

To simplify, he has to earn on average over £102 (2011-12 tax year, this will increase to £107 for 2012-13 tax year) for the 8 weeks before the 15th week before the expected date of birth. Full information, including example calculations is on page 10 of the document linked above.

Thanks. Think it may be a similar thing to SSP which he can't get due to earning it over a few jobs.

Gives us time to work something out though!

Well if it's all with the same employer he might be able to. It depends on what contracts he has. Is his employer operating PAYE on his other income?

And it's gross average earnings. So if he did over time in that period it would count. Any pension contribution would count (if his employer offers a contributory pension scheme it may be worth joining it if he doesn't have to make contributions or the contributions are smaller than the employer's amount). He could also take holiday and that has to be given on all work done, not just his p/t contract.

2 employers. One is very variable 5 hours last week 50 this. He gets holiday on this job but other one hasn't been very good at that ( don't ask!)

PAYE on both.

Perhaps give HMRC a call? I think if he can jiggle his hours about with his employer and get enough in those 8 weeks he could maybe even take two lots of ASPP. It's also averaged so if he does a couple of big weeks, some smaller and some none the average may still work out as enough.

He should be getting holiday. Even if they have to give him an allowance based on retrospective hours. But I expect you already know that...