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If you earn 100k plus, what is your occupation?

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CJ2010 · 04/01/2012 14:09

I've posted this here as it is a bit U, but i am curious to know what jobs pay mega bucks.

I've just been looking on a jobs website at admin jobs, most are paying on average 20-25k (in London). With the cost of living as it it, that sort of money will not go far at all.

I've been a SAHM for a while now and have begun looking for work. I'm considering retraining, but only in something that pays well!

So members of the 100k club please spill the beans and let me know your secrets!

OP posts:
marriedinwhite · 09/01/2012 23:34

Oh, and thanks Angel 1976. You are right in what you say and I agree with you and wish you well as a mummy and a wife and a woman and hope you receive and achieve all you hope to.

TheBossofMe · 10/01/2012 00:05

Oh, I'm a little teary now Blush.

Xenia · 10/01/2012 07:12

How sad.

We all know that whatever we earn it is those other things which matter more and that the difficult things which happen to everyone cut across all income levels.

I always say the things I am most grateful for are our health and the fact I seem to be happy.

TheBossofMe · 10/01/2012 07:43

I've been musing a little bit more about other things which have helped make me succesful:

  1. Being uber-organised. Referred to upthread, but for me its a key factor that allows me to concentrate on the task in hand, and operate really efficiently. My OCD has its uses
  1. Not being scared to speak my mind, or shout about my own achievements. I never waited for my boss to notice how well I'd done on something, I made sure he noticed by telling him, and telling his boss as well. It means they never made the mistake of thinking I didn't know my value to them.
  1. Not being afraid to walk away if I felt undervalued, based on extremely careful research into market rates.
  1. Being prepared to take risks and be the first mover. You make bigger bucks if you have an area of expertise that others are yet to master
  1. Needing very very little sleep. I can operate well on 4 hours a night for a good few weeks on the trot, and rarely sleep more than 6 hours. That means that even when I work until 10pm after DD has gone to bed, I still have time to do personal things, and have the energy to get out of bed and hit the gym and 6.15am, before she's up again.
  1. being able to compartmentalise my life/feelings/desires very well - also referred to upthread - which means I can switch off at any point. I worry sometimes that this is indicative of some kind of personality disorder though Smile
TheBossofMe · 10/01/2012 07:50

And yes, your health is the most important thing you have. I have been seriously ill in the past, and its the most desperate I've ever been. Deep down, I know that part of the reason I work hard to earn money now is to try and build a money cushion in case I'm not around to see DD grow up. Not that money can replace mummy, but, well, if I'm going to die, I'd rather leave a family behind that didn't have to worry about money than one that was wondering how they were going to pay the bills.

Not that I'm about to die, BTW - I'm doing great right now. Just in case, though, just in case....

Xenia · 10/01/2012 08:17

I don't have quite the same issue as I had my oldest child when I was 22. In fact I joke that she'll be well into her 60s before she inherits anything which is probably true.

I would have a similar list albeit a slight less conventional path. Setting up on my own, acquiring additional business etc I have been happy to take risks. Hopefully they are considered risks but more risks than most people would take. However they weren't silly risks. I only set up on my own when I was earning as much from outside the main work as in it.

I also spend quite a bit of time saying (and knowing) how good I am. Some women are not so good at that.

Sleep well I am very very robust. I can imagine you could have sent me off to the farest parts of the British empire in its hey day and I would have survived pretty well whatever things were thrown at me. it's not just a physical but an emotional robustness, an ability to cope whatever. It's as important in jobs as ability. My older daughter who is working very hard at present has the same thing. it's a sort of toughness. You are never off sick. You are always there. You carry on come what may even if half your leg is chopped off as it were.

I do like a lot of sleep but I have certainly not always had it. I remember when the twins were babies (and I adored breastfeeding and always did it for at least a year) I would get up at 5am on Saturdays and saw the 5am to 7am slot as working hours. Or a few times I'd work to mid night, get them up to feed, Feed them at 2 (my babies always fed a lot) then up at 6am to work etc after feeding them again. Or even sometimes until the 2am feed. Not ideal and I certainly didn't do it a lot and I particularly try to prioritise getting enough sleep.

Compartmentalisation is true too - if you can say I have done that well enough, I'm pleased with how I did it (work/children) and move on to the next task that's fine.
I suppose loving your work helps. I am not sure I would still do it 28 years after I started if I didn't.

marriedinwhite · 10/01/2012 08:40

completeley agree about health, stamina, organisation, adaptability, and would add being thorough but knowing when the job is complete to a standard that is fit for purpose and when to move on to the next task.

TheBossofMe · 10/01/2012 09:08

Fit for purpose is one of my favourite phrases.

Being a perfectionist is vastly overrated, and being a pragmatist is vastly underrated IMO.

Most of the high earners I know are the latter rather than the former.

They are also forward thinking and look at trends etc to figure out their next moves.

No point being the last one on the bus - there are rarely any seats left by then.

wordfactory · 10/01/2012 10:25

Yes, yes yes to perfectionist tendencies being the enemy of achievement.

In any task you should aim for very high standards but you need to know when things are good enough. Otherwise there simply aren't enough hours in the day. This is true of eberyhting in the domestic and work related sphere imho.

Like does not need to be, indeed shouldn't be, perfect. It needs to be rich and textured and open ended.

I have recently been offered a lecturing post at a university in London. Not too many hours. I really do fancy giving it a go. The money is in fact nothing to shout about, but I think it would be great fun, very worthwhile and put me in the thick of things more than I am at present.

Now the question is, can I squeeze it in?
I want to be able to keep up all my other comittments and do them well enough (to my standards).

Tis a balance. And it depends what one wants in life. I can see that being the sahp is very important to marriedinwhite and I would never decry that, but I can think of nothing less fullfilling than calling myself the wife of a rich man. Also, being married myself to a rich man, I do question why they need someone to support them 24/7. I do see too many men no longer able to tie their own shoe laces because they have a wife to do it. My own DH would have me do everything if I let him. And yes, he works away a lot so I do take up the slack. But must that preclude me from working and achieving what I want to achieve outside the domestic sphere?

TheBossofMe · 10/01/2012 10:34

I think I could probably live with being the wife of a rich man if I felt confident that he could provide at that level with no risk of redundancy etc etc etc. I could find plenty to do to fill my time, both home oriented, personal goal oriented, and totally frivolous. The frivolous me is probably the bit that gets sacrificed most - I rarely just wander round the shops, trying on clothes, I rarely just linger over lunch with friends without having an eye on the time. I miss that a lot sometimes.

Xenia · 10/01/2012 10:34

Yes, pragmatism. It's actually something you learn over time. I was talking to my daughters about it recently. You can start as a perfectionist but then you learn what matters and what doesn't.

Also I am an optimist. Every year seems better than the last and I expect things will go well. I try a lot of things which fail (100% failure rate of board applications, 100% failure rate at public sector work applciations etc etc I could go on with a massive list of my heroic failures ) but I just seem to bounce back like a rubber ball and if x failed (more fool them they would have been lucky to have me) then something else succeeds, a bit like advertising - you never know which bit works but you certainly need to do it.

wordfactory · 10/01/2012 10:47

Yes, yes, yes to not taking failures to heart.
And those who don't try for fear of failure...I mean what the actual fuck?

TheBossofMe · 10/01/2012 11:05

Fear of failure - not something I am familiar with at all. I nearly always assume success will come, and when it doesn't, I just dust myself off, take stock, analyse for learnings, and move on without a backwards glance.

I used to suffer terribly from imposter syndrome - it took me to my 30s to realise that I was really good at what I do. No idea what changed me - age, experience or just realising that i was moving up even when my peers stood still and dropped by the wayside. I make it a point to only work for those I respect and admire (or for myself at times), so if they thought I was good, well, I must be....

MarshaBrady · 10/01/2012 11:08

It's really good to instill this trying thing at a young age. Being competitive but in a good, beneficial way. Picking out the things that matter to him. Not crushed, but fair. Ds1 isn't upset if he isn't at the top, but he will try. He will apply himself. It's something I am familiar with, and happy to see it again.

wordfactory · 10/01/2012 11:26

marsha that is one of the things I try most to foster in DC. Give it a go. Do your best. It doesn't matter if you fail. Now try again.

I think though, you have to model this attribute yourself. Nothing worse for a child than to see a parent who only ever does things they're fabulous at. Does everything (wihtih a narrow sphere) perfectly.
Never tries anyhting new.

Gotta lead from the front and all that.

MarshaBrady · 10/01/2012 11:28

Yes they are quite close to what I do, it's in our home. They are proud when their friends comment. Having said that I have an interview coming up or I will keep doing freelance here too. They see it all.

ViviPru · 10/01/2012 11:30

WF and TBoM I think that fearlessness is key. Or rather lack of fear of failure. The confidence to give something a go and not care what anyone thinks if it doesn't work out or you mess up.

I'm trying to instil that in DP but a lifetime of fear having been berated for the smallest mistake by his parents is a tough nut to crack...

wordfactory · 10/01/2012 11:38

It is very tough vivi.

I think parents can do great damage here, as can schools. Either by not encouraging DC to try things out for fear of crushing their self esteem or, perhaps worse, giving them the impression that they are succeeding at everything.
Then their are the overly critical parents for whom nothing will ever be good enough. Their DC soon have the spunk beaten out of them.

Stitchthis · 10/01/2012 13:06

This is a great thread. I am sitting in a hospital tea shop having just had a counselling session all about managing perfectionism, impossibly high standards and prioritisation. I'm starting to practice what you guys are recommending and bloody hell, it works. I want to keep my (good) job for as long as possible in the face of advancing ill health and your thoughts are hitting the mark here. Thanks.

Stitchthis · 10/01/2012 13:07

Sadly, the impossibly high standards have not stretched to the tea shop nor the tea Wink

MarshaBrady · 10/01/2012 13:41

I should add they see it here at home. And see the results out there ---> international arena.

I wouldn't advise them to do what I do though, too risky. I'd be upfront and blunt about the risks.

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Stitchthis · 10/01/2012 18:31

As are clean cups....we've already got one entrepreneur in the family. I like to spread the risk by being a wage slave for a large business - a shelter from the economic storms. I hope.

wordfactory · 10/01/2012 19:01

stitch I think that can be a wise move. DH and I are both self employed and sometimes it can feel very precarious.

TheBossofMe · 11/01/2012 09:19

This thread has really got me thinking. In particular about Botticelli's post on Saturday:

"I have no useful contacts for them.
No money at all to help them out, even with train fares to uni etc.
An upbringing in poverty, cold house,no nice things etc, with no experiences of travel, extra sports, music etc.
No experience or advice for them in how to forge a well paid career because its totally out of my world.
So I do envy that -- the advantages wealth can give your children."

She's not the only one on this thread who has mentioned that some of the jobs that other women do are not things that they had ever heard of, let alone know how to ensure you get the right qualifications for them, get on that career path etc. This is also reflected on the mirror thread about the 100k earners thread making them feel down.

It has really got me thinking about the fact that "poverty of aspiration" still exists, especially amongst girls, who I suspect are still subjected to gender-led careers advice, never taught to consider being high-flyers, particularly when they are from less affluent backgrounds where they may have no-one in their direct social circle who is a high earner.

There are too many women on MN who earn poorly because the world of higher paid jobs was never revealed to them. There are too many women who were never encouraged to think beyond traditional female roles. There are too many women who would have had no idea how to start aiming for these roles even if they had wanted to (and lets admit that the path to these kinds of roles starts early, in school, as early as GCSE choices) And I think MN might be able to do something to help ensure the next generation of women aren't trapped in the same cycle of "I didn't know it existed, I didn't know how to get there, I was never told how to do something different".

What I'm thinking of is some kind of MN Mentoring scheme, where MNers who are successful in a wide range of fields, but especially in high earning fields which are traditionally not the preserve of women, volunteer some of their time to mentor the children of MNers like Botticelli. We may not be able to help her with train fares, travel and sports for her kids (I think she would be offended if we even suggested that, and she's only one of thousands of women on MN in the same position), but we can do something to help her children think wider in terms of jobs, give them the benefit of our experience by sharing advice on how to forge that well paid career.

Personally, I'd like this to be aimed at girls rather than boys - its women who are less likely to be socially mobile, earn well, get stuck in low paid jobs etc. But I appreciate mothers of boys might feel differently, so I guess we would have to canvass opinion on that.

I think it would have to be online mentoring, on the board (maybe via a mentor inbox) to preserve anonymity. I don't see this beeing about helping someone by giving them a placement in their company (although some people may be willing to do this), more about giving advice, telling them about different careers etc.

What do you think? I'll ping a note to MNHQ about it - it may be a crappy idea, but worth a mention, I thought.

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