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What's wrong with me?

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fuerelise · 23/02/2011 18:41

More of a vent really...

Am currently on ML but am planning on leaving my old job (silly hours, don't like the team or the work). Am looking around for something new - ideally in the charity or HR (or both!) sectors. Yet all I'm getting is rejection emails (and sometimes not even them, just blanket silence). I'm a qualified professional at a very good firm and have a first class academic background (Oxbridge etc). I've also got experience volunteering in managerial roles, mentoring etc, so have done things outside the academic/legal world. I appreciate I have no direct experience in the fields I'm interested in, so I'm applying for entry level jobs which require soft skills (time keeping, attention to detail etc) rather than x number of years in a certain position. I'm perfectly prepared to take a large pay cut and go in at the bottom again to do something I really want to do.

I think that my application letters are good, my CV is strong (no typos in either!) and that I explain why I want to move well and convincingly (I admit that I'm undecided between charity and HR but I don't think this comes through on my applications!). But nobody seems to want to know...

Just so depressing.

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flowery · 23/02/2011 19:22

If you are applying for entry level jobs but your cv shows professional qualifications and more senior experience I imagine that is putting people off - they may believe you will get fed up very quickly, and will either be off at the first opportunity or will be nagging for pay rises or promotions.

I'm interested you distinguish between charity and HR sectors? HR isn't really a sector as such anyway. What is it you want to do in charities, not HR?

(I probe because I have a background in HR in charities Grin)

fuerelise · 23/02/2011 20:16

Thanks - that makes sense. Is there any way I can get over those prejudices (it's not like I can pretend I went to a different university or don't have the qualifications I do)?

I distinguished between them since most of the roles I've found to apply for in charities (i.e. the entry-level ones) are administrative-style roles (e.g. administrator, database co-ordinator) whereas I've been looking at HR roles specifically in my professional area (since this seems a possible route in - I already know about the background / how the organisations work etc). If I could combine the two that'd be fantastic. I want to work in charities to make a difference (trite I know, but true) and I want to work in HR since I want to work with people, implementing solutions and helping individuals and businesses to succeed, so the two aren't mutually exclusive by any means, I'm just struggling to find any roles I could apply for now (with my limited experience in either) which combine the two. Hope that makes sense!

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theoffsiderule · 24/02/2011 16:31

I am facing the same problem as you, pretty much identically. I have now left Oxbridge off my CV - just covering that info with "BA (Hons.) in [subject]" and not mentioning other qualifications at all. I'm guessing you work at a City law firm, as do I. My feeling is if someone knows about the legal field, they will know that there is a certain level of education needed beyond university - and if they don't, then they're not going to think about that when they look at your CV.

One one application form, I had to put my salary, which as I'm now looking for work well outside London, can look excessive. I was told (after they had appointed a candidate for the role I had applied for) that my salary expectations would be too high - as it was a public sector role, I knew what the salary range was and I still applied! No point arguing the case with that sort of rationale. I've not mentioned my salary in other applications and when it's come up in interviews, I'm able to give very good reasons for not needing the London wage any longer. If only those others had thought to ask me, rather than making an assumption on my behalf!

I think a lot of people are applying for the same administrative roles as me, but they possess the exact experience needed. As a recruiter myself, if I were hiring for an admin role, I would be looking for someone with direct admin experience, not a solicitor who probably has a PA! (No offence Wink!)

The approach I have now taken has been to get personal referrals from contacts who know people in organisations I am interested in working for (one of the benefits of the old OB education is you're likely not to be shy about networking). I have written in this semi-speculative way to three now and today had an interview for a role that was not advertised, plus am meeting informally with another to discuss freelance work. So this seems to be paying off.

Is this something you can do - even on the most speculative level, find out the name of an HR person or Fundraising manager and give them a call to ask if they would mind you sending them an email as you're massively enthusiastic about working for their organisation?

Out of interest, are you looking for part time or full time work? I've found that part time jobs tend to be even more difficult to convince people that you genuinely want to work there - can't put my finger on why.

On the HR side, you might find it hard to get taken seriously without some sort of HR qualification - even the very junior HR staff at my firm have taken some sort of course as it's a highly regulated field and they like to see that people are keen to keep up to date with that sort of thing. If you can afford it and have the time, might be worth looking into the CIPD courses on offer.

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