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Disciplinary - please help.

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Lougle · 17/08/2010 18:09

My DH has been given notice today, at the end of the day that he will have a disciplinary hearing in 3 days time for unauthorised absence.

Can anyone help?

In May of this year, we were offered a free holiday. It was a one week break paid for by a charity, that was being held on a specific week. They were willing to make modifications to the premises to make it safe for my DD1 with SN, and provide her with 1:1 during the club each morning. An amazing opportunity for us as a family.

My DH put in his holiday request, and it was turned down because one other employee of my DH's 'function' in the company was booked off. Fair enough, he got there first, but it was sad because we can't access normal holidays due to DD1.

So, my DH asked for those leave days to be used on 4 other days (he works a 4-day week). He requested the 12th & 13th of August, and 10th & 11th of September. He was told this was OK, and typed the dates in his calendar of his mobile phone. The company do not give confirmation slips or any other written proof of holiday.

The week that DH was denied holiday for, he was asked to work a 5th day. His contract states that if he works a 5-day week on one week, he is to be compensated with an additional day off the following week, determined by his manager. (He has a Flexible Working Agreement because of DD1's disability). My DH agreed to work the extra day, and asked what day he would be given the following week. His manager infered that he was off on the Thursday and Friday anyway, so it would have to be the Tuesday. This resulted in a 1 day week, as he doesn't work on a Wednesday anyway.

His manager even joked that he himself was off that week so it didn't matter to him what happened.

On Thursday 12th August, his mangager's manager called, and asked DH why he wasn't at work. He told him he had leave. He phoned some time later, to say that he had no record of the leave request, although he did have one for September, and there was nothing in the diary. DH told him that his manager had been fully aware, and that it was all booked at the same time in May.

On returning to work, DH was called into an informal meeting, during which he pointed out all of the above. His manager now claims that he refused the leave for August 12th & 13th. However, there is no evidence of the original request at all.

They can't show that they refused the request, and DH can't show they accepted it (because they don't give written confirmation). The only 'evidence' is that DH had put it on his phone calendar. They said that they would need to consider whether to take disciplinary action. DH pointed out that a) his impeccable work record makes it quite unlikely that he would take unauthorised leave b) on the week he was refused leave he even accomodated their request for working an additional day c) His manager inferred that DH would be off on the Thursday and Friday anyway.

Today, at the end of the day, he got a letter informing him that he is to attend a disciplinary meeting 'at the end of your duties'. This implies that the meeting would be additional to his work hours.

It also says 'please be aware that the potential outcome of this meeting may vary from a warning through to dismissal if the incident is deemed serious enough'.

So on to the questions, and thank you if you have got this far:

  1. Can they expect DH to attend a hearing outside of work time?
  2. Can they give 3 days notice?
  3. In the absence of firm evidence, can they discipline him?

Further background - they dislike DH's FWA, and are putting pressure on him to return to a 5 day week (they 'inherited' DH's contract when they bought the company from his former employer), with them having said that they might have to look at his job role.

Two weeks ago, he was asked to do additional hours and said that he couldn't, and despite having adjusted his hours, worked an additional day and worked overtime on another day, the manager's manager said that the FWA was 'working all one way at the moment' and he would have to 'see what could be done this end to rectify it'. DH at that time felt threatened that he would lose his job.

His van which he performs his duties in is being sold tomorrow. It is not being replaced. The general conclusion is that there will be x vans, and x +1 drivers Hmm

It doesn't look good, does it? Sad

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BeenBeta · 27/08/2010 09:09

Lougle - I also suspect the 1:1 wil result in a negotiation and redundancy payoff as you say. However, redundancy still needs to be fair and there are procedures to be followed.

DH should/must still take notes. As others have said. Every meetng needs to be fully recorded from now on - no matter how informal.

IME they will have consulted with lawyers and the director may well be reading from a script. This is what happened when I was made redundant.

Lougle · 27/08/2010 09:24

Thanks BeenBeta. I don't doubt that as soon as DH said he would be taking the Union in, they contacted their lawyers. Given DH's status as a Carer and their 'comments' to date, and the fact that there really was no evidence, combined with his excellent working record and the sale of his van, they would have been fools to pursue it. I would have made sure it went to Tribunal, and they know that.

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Lougle · 27/08/2010 09:31

RibenaBerry, I just realised what you mean by 'it won't be the last one'. The saying 'a leopard can't change it's spots' springs to mind. The culture at his workplace is such that bullying and snide remarks are the norm. There is no way that knowing the new legislation exists would change their behaviour. Afterall, the TUP(E) regulations exist, yet they still tried to contravene them on around 6 counts. It would be like a ticking timebomb. Not that DH (or I really, no matter how I may appear) is keen on confrontation, but the law is there to protect employees from unfair treatment, and DH is not being treated fairly.

Anyway, to be honest, for DH's sake the best outcome would be for he and BeenBeta to be right, and for them to arrange an easy way out of the company for DH. He is worth more than this job.

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Lougle · 27/08/2010 18:28

I just thought I'd update the thread, thanks for all your help everyone.

DH had his '1 to 1' with the Director. He said that he didn't want to go down the disciplinary route because he recognised DH's character is not of the nature to take unauthorised leave, and all the evidence he had was a statement from his line manager.

He said that it would have been helpful if DH had reminded his Manager's Manager that he was on holiday (Hmm kinda think that was his Manager's job).

He has said that they will change procedure regarding the booking of leave to avoid this sort of thing happening.

So the saga is finished for the moment. I have no doubt there will be more, be it next week, next month or thereafter. But until then, DH will plod on and look for an alternative job.

It doesn't feel very fair that they can write a letter calling him to disciplinary, not tell him he won't be disciplined until the union ask for details of the meeting, then say that he should have communicated with his Manager's manager, when there is a leave diary (which should have been completed) and his manager should have handed over that information to his manager. But hey ho.

Thanks once again.

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BeenBeta · 27/08/2010 18:51

Lougle - that is good to hear.

One thing I would advise is that DH just write a farly short nonconfrontational letter back to the Director, thanking him for the meeting, noting the content of the meeting and what was agreed.

The reason I say that is because the disciplinary letter is still on his file.

Lougle · 27/08/2010 19:31

That's great advice, thanks, BeenBeta.

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LoveBeingInBed · 28/08/2010 08:20

Glad this has gone away. Personally I would be asking for the letter to be removed from his file Wink

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