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Fingers in ears, I love my echo chamber, so yar boo sucks to you!

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IvyTwines · 26/04/2022 09:59

He just comes straight out and says it: these GC people are liars, no one is transing the gay away and I've already pre-blocked anyone who tries to show me evidence it is, so there! He's a Guardian film critic and now a children's book writer, apparently, steeped in fictional worlds but unable and unwilling to engage his brain with the reality that, outside his middle class media bubble, some communities and families and societies are so homophobic that they prefer turning an effeminate son into a 'straight' daughter or a tomboy daughter into a 'straight' son.

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Redshoeblueshoe · 26/04/2022 10:03

yes he only responded to men who agreed with him.
But he did get his arse handed to him on a plate last night.
He's obviously so important I've forgotten his name

Redshoeblueshoe · 26/04/2022 10:06

He only replied to men who agree with him.
what a suprise

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IvyTwines · 26/04/2022 10:06

Btw, I've tried to load screenshots but I'm not seeing them. Can you? If not I'll cut and paste the quotes.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/04/2022 10:07

Who is this? Can't see any screenshots, maybe my glitchy app view.

Redshoeblueshoe · 26/04/2022 10:08

I think mumsnet isn't working.

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IvyTwines · 26/04/2022 10:11

Caspar Salmon (blue tick) on Twitter, in response to Alison Bailey saying there is growing evidence this is a movement driven by homophobia, not wanting to be labelled LGB in a homophobic society and parents not wanting LGB children:

"This is the big one for me. I absolutely love this fucking whopper they keep telling, about people transing because... it's easier than being gay?! Stunning, fantastical. Pulitzer for fiction please! (This is from Alison Bailey's crowdfunder for her court case against Stonewall)

"Dad, I'm gay" "Not in my fucking house you're not, Brian. Come back to me when your name's Brianna, and I can proudly present you to people as my easily passing daughter at the Wilsons' annual barbecue" "OK Dad, I love you"

I should add that I changed my Twitter settings the time before last that I was set upon by transphobes, so that I only see notifications from people who follow me. And I'm not going to go burrowing around among my replies to read the shitty "evidence" (anecdotes) you're posting."

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IvyTwines · 26/04/2022 10:13

I've tried posting it as text too - is mumsnet down?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/04/2022 10:27

I've come across Mr Salmon before, but I can't recall when, probably for something else like this. I remember making a fish pun Smile

DialSquare · 26/04/2022 10:36

Wasn't he the one who suggested a broody lesbian to LOJ?

DialSquare · 26/04/2022 10:36

Wasn't he the one who suggested a broody lesbian to LOJ?

BraveBananaBadge · 26/04/2022 15:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/04/2022 10:27

I've come across Mr Salmon before, but I can't recall when, probably for something else like this. I remember making a fish pun Smile

Yes this, I can't remember what it was but it was enough to know his opinions on this matter mean nada. He is not very bright.

MangyInseam · 26/04/2022 16:04

I have met a few people that make a similar argument, and while I don't know this guy, I think they honestly cannot wrap their head around the idea that anyone would think that having a trans child would be better than having a gay child.

I think it's because they can't see how a person who was homophobic wouldn't also be transphobic.

nepeta · 26/04/2022 16:32

MangyInseam · 26/04/2022 16:04

I have met a few people that make a similar argument, and while I don't know this guy, I think they honestly cannot wrap their head around the idea that anyone would think that having a trans child would be better than having a gay child.

I think it's because they can't see how a person who was homophobic wouldn't also be transphobic.

Iran's whole policy explains one instance where homophobia doesn't translate to transphobia.

BraveBananaBadge · 26/04/2022 16:36

Having just come across that tweet coincidentally, I see he makes a performance of stating he's set it up to only see replies from people he follows. Another dish it out, can't take it chap then. Must be nice never to be wrong about anything!

Tiphaine · 26/04/2022 16:39

Yes DialSquare, that was him.

DialSquare · 26/04/2022 17:20

Thought so Tiphaine. It's the surname that sounded familiar!

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IvyTwines · 26/04/2022 19:47

It really is quite jawdropping - to actually highlight Bailey's quote about growing evidence of homophobia, say it's a lie and proudly add that any attempt to contact him to show him that evidence is blocked.

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MangyInseam · 26/04/2022 19:54

nepeta · 26/04/2022 16:32

Iran's whole policy explains one instance where homophobia doesn't translate to transphobia.

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Yes, I think though the people don't feel like that's culturally similar enough to really be comparable. Maybe they see it more as a kind of backhanded punishment by the authorities, rather than something a parent would prefer for a child.

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IvyTwines · 26/04/2022 20:53

The case Helen Joyce tweeted about in response to Salmon is really well known in the USA, the current political and TV 'poster child' for young transitioning now Jazz Jennings is older and looking less like an advert for it, with 14k+ instagram followers (I'm not on Tiktok so can't see how many there, for the child's 'parent monitored' (no shit?) activist account). The child's mother, from a very 'christian' community in the USA clearly states on TV and in articles that she was opposed to the idea of having a gay son.

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Wanderingowl · 26/04/2022 21:52

MangyInseam · 26/04/2022 16:04

I have met a few people that make a similar argument, and while I don't know this guy, I think they honestly cannot wrap their head around the idea that anyone would think that having a trans child would be better than having a gay child.

I think it's because they can't see how a person who was homophobic wouldn't also be transphobic.

I honestly find it hard to wrap my head around. Being gay/straight/bi is just orientation. Just something intrinsic to who a person is but doesn't change who they are. My DS is my DS regardless of who he grows up to have the capacity to be attracted to. If he grows up to be attracted to men, I honestly just couldn't care less.

But back when I just honestly used to think that trans was a genuine case of someone somehow being born in the wrong body, I would have been devastated for him to be trans. It would mean that something had gone very wrong in his conception. A life of never feeling truly at ease in his body. A life of medication and surgeries but yet never, ever being right. A life of never really fitting in as he'd long to.

I genuinely, really can't understand how a trans child could be preferable to a gay child. It's mind boggling to me that is somehow how anyone could think.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/04/2022 21:55

Wasn't he the one who suggested a broody lesbian to LOJ?

Ugh, him. There was definitely another time though as well I think.

Tiphaine · 26/04/2022 22:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/04/2022 10:27

I've come across Mr Salmon before, but I can't recall when, probably for something else like this. I remember making a fish pun Smile

This one where he called JKR 'babe' and then proceeded to claim that he wasn't, despite the evidence, a condescending misogynist ballsack?

Fingers in ears, I love my echo chamber, so yar boo sucks to you!
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