Discussion about abortion: part 2

[purits]

Can someone explain this idea of "my body, my choice" because it has never sat easy with me.

Some women seem to feel that they are the ultimate arbiter of whether they should / should not have an abortion and that the man involved and society have no say in this.
Yet once a baby is born, women suddenly insist that the man is a part of the process and must pay towards the baby's upkeep, even if he never wanted the baby. It does seem to be a case of 'heads I win, tails you lose'. Not sure that is an apt analogy, but you get what I mean - it all seems stacked in the woman's favour and it all hang's on her "choice" and no-one else gets a look-in.
Doesn't seem equitable to me.
Go on: flame me and tell me where I'm going wrong.

Of course it's a problem if he says yes but she says no, but what are you going to do? Do you want him to insist that she carries on with the pregnancy?

I don't like the way that this thread has turned so I'm off before people start reporting me or summat.

I thought you might think that the woman should recompense the man in some way. That would be in line with your arguments.

I'll bet you don't like the way this thread has turned - people are pointing out that your idea isn't very good

purits, I think that the advice has been use a condom pretty much the whole way through this discussion, with people suggesting vasectomies and non penetrative sex for those men who can't accept the 1% risk of pregnancy when using a condom.

I'm not sure how a woman gets pregnant "accidentally on purpose" if a man uses a condom unless she saves the used condoms and secretly injects herself with the sperm afterwards. But clearly anything's possible with all the scheming harlots there are around so I think your son should ensure he disposes of his used condoms properly.

purits, the thread's just fine, idea's a crap though

happysmiley she goes into his wallet when he's not looking and pricks the condoms with pins.

Obviously. It's very common behaviour in young women these days. Wanting as they all do to get pregnant young and be tied to a child and not be able to go out with their friends, or to university, and to lessen their chances of a good career etc. That's what the vast majority of young women are all about these days, didn't you know?

(Last comment is sarcy, not meant to be taken as being genuinely down on young women who do decide to have children).

I shall be telling my ds to use a condom and my dd too simply because I don't wish for them to get a STD. That it makes pregnancy unlikely too is an added bonus. I expect to have conversations with them about respect, only doing what you want to do, and taking responsibility for your own actions too. In fact I've already started. It's not about not trusting the other person, it's about protecting yourself (I think it's generally fairly unwise to put yourself in a situation where you have to trust someone, especially where the risks are potentially high). I'd also encourage them to have sex with people that they like and trust, and yes telling them that one of the risks of having sex is that there is a chance of having a baby, and that it's a good idea to discuss this with your partner if sex becomes a regular activity. If either of my children are incapable of understanding that there are consequences to their actions that they may have to live with, then I won't have done a very good job as a parent. And then of course if they do make mistakes I will support them. Isn't this a fairly standard approach?