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Anyone else going to be watching "Five Daughters"?

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Molesworth · 25/04/2010 16:07

BBC1 9pm tonight, tomorrow and Tuesday

Five Daughters

"Factually-based drama telling the stories of five young women who were tragically murdered in Ipswich in 2006."

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BelleDameSansMerci · 25/04/2010 16:18

Hmmmm... I may record. I was born only 10 miles from Ipswich and, although I left Suffolk many years ago, this still felt very close to home.

This quote, though, makes me think I should watch it.

QUOTES - Maire Alderton (Anneli's mum)
"It was so awful when the press referred to the girls as prostitutes. Prostitution is not a career choice, it's drug addiction that drives people to it ? simple as."

"If this drama sparks a debate about drug addiction and girls on the street that is a very good thing."

Molesworth · 25/04/2010 16:43

I like the fact that they've said "the stories of five young women" rather than "the stories of five prostitutes" in the synopsis.

I grew up not far from Ipswich too BDSM

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weeonion · 25/04/2010 16:49

I am looking forward to it but will read the reactions tomorrow and just wait no doubt not too long before someone says - 'aha but they choose to do it.' I wonder if there will be many men out there who use women in prostitution who will watch and feel guilt?

Caoimhe · 25/04/2010 17:00

There was a factual programme on another channel during the week about this investigation.

Again (thank goodness) the poor victims were referred to as "young women" and not "prostitutes".

MitchyInge · 25/04/2010 17:25

I was initially horrified by the idea that these events could be dramatised and started AIBU thread, just repulsed that it could be 'entertainment' - as opposed to documentary about the forensic breakthroughs or addiction or prostitution. Having read Libby Purves' article in RT I think it sounds really promising, still not sure about watching it though. Just reading about it made me cry (am a total sap at the moment generally). I think most people in Suffolk were intensely shocked and in local press the women were referred to far more respectfully than in, say, coverage of similar crimes in Norwich some years ago. The East Anglian Daily Times ran a 'Somebody's Daughter' appeal, and there was very much a feeling of 'there but for the grace of God'. I don't recall reading or hearing any of the usual dehumanising terms associated with Peter Sutcliffe's victims.

MitchyInge · 25/04/2010 17:28

somebody's daughter

MitchyInge · 25/04/2010 22:36

Did any of you watch?

Molesworth · 25/04/2010 22:41

Yes, I watched. Heartbreaking wasn't it

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AnyFucker · 25/04/2010 22:55

I watched it

"Somebody's daughter"

Sums it up for me

No matter how much you love your children (and it seems some of these young girls had extremely loving families)....you cannot protect them unless they want to be protected

chilling

Molesworth · 25/04/2010 23:56

Moving blog post from Rebecca Mott about this today: Somebody's Daughter

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MitchyInge · 26/04/2010 10:19
Sad
Seabright · 26/04/2010 11:57

I watched (another Suffolk-exile) and was so pleased to see (and I hope it's true) how seriously the police took a missing person report of Tania Nichols (the first girl) on the same day she went missing, rather than just dismissing her as a drug-using prostiture.

I remember it all unfolding at the time with a growing sense of disbelief.

Also, rather sadly, it's the only thing that's ever lead my colleague to be able to work out where in the country I'm from!

Molesworth · 26/04/2010 12:02

Seabright, thanks for reminding me of that part of the programme: I hope that that is what actually happened (i.e. the police taking Tania's disappearance seriously), but I must admit while I was watching I found it completely implausible. It smacked of the police trying to make themselves look good with hindsight. I hope I'm wrong!

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MitchyInge · 26/04/2010 12:11

I remember seeing posters of Tania, Suffolk Police missing person ones, in Tesco. Think it was quite a while before Gemma disappeared.

Molesworth · 26/04/2010 15:23

Ah thanks Mitchy (love your name btw )

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Molesworth · 27/04/2010 20:44

Looking forward to the final episode of this tonight.

One thing that struck me about last night's episode was the frustration of the drugs workers at the Iceni project, knowing that if they could only give the girls their drugs they wouldn't have had to go out on the street while Wright was still at large

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Molesworth · 27/04/2010 20:44

Looking forward to the final episode of this tonight.

One thing that struck me about last night's episode was the frustration of the drugs workers at the Iceni project, knowing that if they could only give the girls their drugs they wouldn't have had to go out on the street while Wright was still at large

Thats one of the reasons In in favour of, if not decriminalising drugs, then at least decriminalising addicts. Including alternatives for unwell people to sex work.
The problem is I'm also very opposed to decriminalising or legalising sex work and the parties that support the former tend to also advocate for the latter. It's frustrating because the two aren't the same (drugs are a product, women are humans) but I've not seen a politician make the distinction. In fact pro sex work advocates tend to glom onto drug legalisation campaigns.

The current situation bans drug addicts from getting their fix in legal ways while tacitly accepting they will still get their fix from selling their bodies. Horrible.

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